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Largest Mass Resignation in US History as 100k Federal Workers Quit

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Re: Largest Mass Resignation in US History as 100k Federal Workers Quit

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Post by mc32 »

blurbleblurble wrote: post #27
mc32 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE doesn’t do law enforcement against citizens. It does affect citizens tangentially but not directly. ICE will not come after citizens for crimes. That would be regular local police, state police or FBI/ATF, etc. ICE is immigration enforcement. Some people may not like that especially illegal residents but it would be a poor way to affect citizens like fascists or communists did.

You haven't been paying attention.

What do you mean? If you mean interfering with officers carrying out their duties, then yes, people do get arrested for that. But you would get arrested for interfering with any law enforcement. People do get to protest but they do not get the right to protest violently nor do they get a right to interfere with law enforcement just because they disagree with the law.

Just like if you want to protest eminent domain but officers come in to move out protesters getting in the way of construction. People will get arrested. You can protest peacefully. You cannot interfere with official acts or be violent.

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Post by flohofwoe »

mc32 wrote: post #15
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you noticed ICE's budget lately?

ICE doesn’t do law enforcement against citizens. It does affect citizens tangentially but not directly. ICE will not come after citizens for crimes. That would be regular local police, state police or FBI/ATF, etc. ICE is immigration enforcement. Some people may not like that especially illegal residents but it would be a poor way to affect citizens like fascists or communists did.

The Nazis and Communists also didn't come after 'citizens' at first:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

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Post by m0llusk »

staplers wrote: post #18
exabrial wrote: post #14

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The American people will find out either way if it was wise or not.

Americans will suffer consequences to be sure, but awareness still doesn't have great odds in this environment.

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Post by rayiner »

buran77 wrote: post #38
pm90 wrote: post #5

It’s a terrifying experiment in hollowing out the civil service. At some point a critical mass of Federal workers may be lost which brings the entire machinery of the Federal Government to a standstill. It’s also not clear how to recover from something like this.

That's the intention of this administration. Destroy any service that the government could provide until people can genuinely think the government is useless. Then the people currently in power and their cronies will come out of the woodwork "saving" the country with their private companies and interests. Competing with an empty shell of a government is the easiest way. As a side effect, if they're to lose the next e…

There is an ulterior motive for these cuts, but please be honest about what it is. The federal bureaucracy is completely dominated by one party: https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2016/10/federal-employe....

No matter who wins the elections, most of the actual decisions are being made by adherents of the same party. Trump had four times the support in AOC’s district in the Bronx than among federal employee donors. This is not a sustainable situation in a democracy.

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Post by robin_reala »

AlexandrB wrote: post #13
philipallstar wrote: post #3

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Fascists generally want everything centrally controlled. Not really a small government mindset.

Don't bother with nuance, in 2025 everything bad[1] is "fascism". The idea that authoritarianism can have any other form seems to be forgotten. [1] Often defined as something a poster doesn't agree with, thought sometimes genuinely bad things as well.

Under Umberto Eco’s definition of Ur-Fascism[1] (the usual one I reach for, though others are available) what GP is referencing is most closely aligned with #13 Selective Populism, which at least from my viewpoint outside the US is seemingly correct.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism

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Post by 0xffff2 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #36
0xffff2 wrote: post #24

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I believe the 100k are those that took the "deferred resignation program" at the beginning of the year. They have been getting paid to not bother showing up to work all this time, but are finally coming up on the date where they will all officially resign. Those people are choosing to leave.

Took? Or got placed on? Genuine question, because I don't know the answer. Was it actually voluntary at the time?

It was actually and completely voluntary. My only source is that I am a federal contractor who was invited to at least some of the all hands meetings where this was discussed within my agency. The federal government is _huge_ and obviously I can't speak to every single agency, but at least for mine there wasn't even a hint of pressure to take the offer.

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Post by cogman10 »

mc32 wrote: post #15
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you noticed ICE's budget lately?

ICE doesn’t do law enforcement against citizens. It does affect citizens tangentially but not directly. ICE will not come after citizens for crimes. That would be regular local police, state police or FBI/ATF, etc. ICE is immigration enforcement. Some people may not like that especially illegal residents but it would be a poor way to affect citizens like fascists or communists did.

Trump has actively talked about denaturalizing his enemies [1]. You would be technically correct that he's not going after citizens, but that's only because he'll declare everyone he doesn't like antifa and thus not worthy of citizenship.

A move, I should point out, that the Nazis did to the Jews and Communists.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/27/trum...

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Post by mc32 »

staplers wrote: post #34
mc32 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE doesn’t do law enforcement against citizens. It does affect citizens tangentially but not directly. ICE will not come after citizens for crimes. That would be regular local police, state police or FBI/ATF, etc. ICE is immigration enforcement. Some people may not like that especially illegal residents but it would be a poor way to affect citizens like fascists or communists did.

What does the national guard do against citizens?

Kind of the same role they played during the civil rights struggle. They are there to bolster law enforcement when local law enforcement may be overwhelmed enforcing federal law.

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Post by mindslight »

AlexandrB wrote: post #13
philipallstar wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascists generally want everything centrally controlled. Not really a small government mindset.

Don't bother with nuance, in 2025 everything bad[1] is "fascism". The idea that authoritarianism can have any other form seems to be forgotten. [1] Often defined as something a poster doesn't agree with, thought sometimes genuinely bad things as well.

An autocrat attacking and destroying societal institutions, bringing industry to heel under his dictats, and running concentration camps to perform ethnic cleansing (while being primed to move on to ideological cleansing). It's not "Fascism" in the sense of being Mussolini's party, but if you're willing to label National Socialism / Naziism as "fascism" then the label most certainly applies to Trumpism.
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