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Re: The Apple Reaper

#41

Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems. Walled garden and 30% forced cut of app sales is one thing, but a forced 30% cut of every in-app sale is like erecting a toll booth on all apps. Gruber's explanation of "Apple does it because it can, and the people complaining are just jealous that Apple can and they can…

"Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems." The Android Developer TOS says that any other in-app payment system isn't legal, and grounds for your app being removed from the app store. I haven't studied it, but I suspect Microsoft's ToS will say something similar too. Edit: Android's DDA section 3.3 and 4.5 disal…

Doesn't the Kindle Android app allow you to buy ebooks and subscriptions?

Also,while Microsoft does support in-app purchases in their store, they don't restrict other payment methods like Apple does. From Microsoft's Store guidelines:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsstore/archive/2012/07/20/maki...

Using your own billing system

Your app and service may already depend on a particular transaction provider or benefit from ties to other lines of business. Your customers want the trust and efficiency of a familiar, trusted transaction experience. You can use your own transaction provider within your app to provide the experience your customers expect.

If you are not using the Windows Store as your transaction provider, you will want to make sure that your app meets all of the certification requirements such as: Identifying the transaction provider to the user during purchase confirmation Prompt the user for authentication before processing the transaction Your payment processor must meet the current PCI Data Security Standard

Re: The Apple Reaper

#42

Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems. Walled garden and 30% forced cut of app sales is one thing, but a forced 30% cut of every in-app sale is like erecting a toll booth on all apps. Gruber's explanation of "Apple does it because it can, and the people complaining are just jealous that Apple can and they can…

"Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems." The Android Developer TOS says that any other in-app payment system isn't legal, and grounds for your app being removed from the app store. I haven't studied it, but I suspect Microsoft's ToS will say something similar too. Edit: Android's DDA section 3.3 and 4.5 disal…

When encountering that acronym, I often suspect that an "s" has gone astray.

Re: The Apple Reaper

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems." The Android Developer TOS says that any other in-app payment system isn't legal, and grounds for your app being removed from the app store. I haven't studied it, but I suspect Microsoft's ToS will say something similar too. Edit: Android's DDA section 3.3 and 4.5 disal…

Doesn't the Kindle Android app allow you to buy ebooks and subscriptions? Also,while Microsoft does support in-app purchases in their store, they don't restrict other payment methods like Apple does. From Microsoft's Store guidelines: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsstore/archive/2012/07/20/maki... Using your own billing system Your app and service may already depend on a particular transaction provider or benefit fro…

Google's Play Store ecosystem disallows you to use any other provider but the Android in-app billing via ToS. Likewise, Kindle disallows you from using any other in-app payment mechanism besides their custom in-app SDK. FYI, Kindle apps need approval, unlike apps in the Google Play store. So this is no different (in fact worse, because you now have to maintain two code bases and accounting systems).

Good to know about Microsoft - thanks.

Edit: Ah, the Kindle app for Android. I misunderstood. It's possible that Google might deem those violations (see links to the relevant section I posted in parent). Their DOJ mess with eBooks might prevent them from taking such measures though.

Re: The Apple Reaper

#44

Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems. Walled garden and 30% forced cut of app sales is one thing, but a forced 30% cut of every in-app sale is like erecting a toll booth on all apps. Gruber's explanation of "Apple does it because it can, and the people complaining are just jealous that Apple can and they can…

"Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems." The Android Developer TOS says that any other in-app payment system isn't legal, and grounds for your app being removed from the app store. I haven't studied it, but I suspect Microsoft's ToS will say something similar too. Edit: Android's DDA section 3.3 and 4.5 disal…

Do you have a link to or a quote of that section of the TOS? I just looked through it and couldn't find anything like that.

Re: The Apple Reaper

#45
post #11

There's an app review board. I'm not sure of the exact procedure for getting in contact with them, but it's basically the procedure for appealing a rejection like this. I think there's an email address somewhere in the developer portal. Edit: This trend of running straight to social news sites (e.g. HN) whenever something goes wrong is very strange. There are processes in place for dealing with this problem, processe…

> This trend of running straight to social news sites (e.g. HN) whenever something goes wrong is very strange

This seems more general than just when things go wrong. I've noticed a lot of posts on Reddit in /r/math and /r/physics from college students asking for advice on what order to take classes, for example. A student might state he is a math major, and want to know if he should take linear algebra or real analysis first. Typically, he omits to state what school he attends, or what kind of math he is interested in.

These questions puzzle me, because the answer to this kind of question depends on details of the school's math curriculum, and vary from school to school. For instance, at some schools linear algebra is the first "proofs" course, and typically should be taken after freshman calculus as a transition to higher math.

At other schools there is a separate course specifically on proofs and mathematical reason designed to prepare students to transition from the practical oriented calculus courses to the theory oriented "real" math classes. At such a school, the order of linear algebra and real analysis is probably best determined by what courses have which as prerequisites and what the student is interested in.

I would expect the obvious thing to do when wondering what order to take courses in would be to (1) check the requirements for your degree--there should be specific courses you have to take so you need to make sure you don't do anything to screw taking those, (2) work out from that and from the prerequisites from those courses any constraints on when you must take specific courses, (3) look at examples your school gives of typical schedules for students pursuing that degree, and (4) TALK TO YOUR ADVISOR--I assume schools still assign to each student an advisor in their major to give them guidance on course selection and such.

Similarly, people will post saying they are taking a course in X next term, and would like to get a head start--what book should they read? Again, the often don't tell us the school so we can go look up the course and try to figure out what level it is at. They don't tell us what the textbook is so we can pick something that fits in well with that.

It apparently never occurs to them to ask their professor what would be a good book, or to ask older students who have already taken the class, or to go to the library and spend an afternoon looking at a few books on the subject to find one on their own.

Re: The Apple Reaper

#46

Honest question: why hasn't Apple fixed this fucking stupid review process? They have the resources to pay cheap reviewers who are probably better than this guy. I'm sure college kids with no job prospects would jump to "work at Apple" even if it's making $10/hour reviewing apps. Why not allow all apps into the store as long as they pass some security checks done by Apple (no downloading executables etc)? The current…

Because for Apple and it's customers the app review process is not broken. It's only frustrating for of app developers.

Looking over the App store, if anything there is an over abundance of app developers.

Re: The Apple Reaper

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the Kindle Android app allow you to buy ebooks and subscriptions? Also,while Microsoft does support in-app purchases in their store, they don't restrict other payment methods like Apple does. From Microsoft's Store guidelines: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsstore/archive/2012/07/20/maki... Using your own billing system Your app and service may already depend on a particular transaction provider or benefit fro…

Google's Play Store ecosystem disallows you to use any other provider but the Android in-app billing via ToS. Likewise, Kindle disallows you from using any other in-app payment mechanism besides their custom in-app SDK. FYI, Kindle apps need approval, unlike apps in the Google Play store. So this is no different (in fact worse, because you now have to maintain two code bases and accounting systems). Good to know abou…

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Re: The Apple Reaper

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the Kindle Android app allow you to buy ebooks and subscriptions? Also,while Microsoft does support in-app purchases in their store, they don't restrict other payment methods like Apple does. From Microsoft's Store guidelines: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsstore/archive/2012/07/20/maki... Using your own billing system Your app and service may already depend on a particular transaction provider or benefit fro…

Google's Play Store ecosystem disallows you to use any other provider but the Android in-app billing via ToS. Likewise, Kindle disallows you from using any other in-app payment mechanism besides their custom in-app SDK. FYI, Kindle apps need approval, unlike apps in the Google Play store. So this is no different (in fact worse, because you now have to maintain two code bases and accounting systems). Good to know abou…

I was referring to the Kindle app for Android phones and tablets, not to the apps on Kindle hardware.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_k...

Re: The Apple Reaper

#49

Honest question: why hasn't Apple fixed this fucking stupid review process? They have the resources to pay cheap reviewers who are probably better than this guy. I'm sure college kids with no job prospects would jump to "work at Apple" even if it's making $10/hour reviewing apps. Why not allow all apps into the store as long as they pass some security checks done by Apple (no downloading executables etc)? The current…

"why hasn't Apple fixed this fucking stupid review process?"

Are you asking why it's not perfect? That's an impossible standard. In general app approval seems significantly ahead of where it was in past years.

"They have the resources to pay cheap reviewers who are probably better than this guy."

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most large businesses have the resources to hire people better than their worst employees. Again if you're asking why their staff is not all 5 star employees who never make mistakes I don't even know where to start.

"Why not allow all apps into the store as long as they pass some security checks done by Apple (no downloading executables etc)?"

Because they don't want spam, porn, hate apps, whatever. It's easy to make sweeping judgements about what's best when you aren't actually managing a 200 billion dollar brand.

Re: The Apple Reaper

#50
post #21

I understand stripe and square if you aren't part of the SV echo chamber, but PayPal? Where does Apple find these reviewers?

He probably exaggerated the responses when he made that transcription. Unless he had an audio recording, it would be an easy thing to do, especially if he was mad.
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