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Re: Evolving the Multi-User Spaceport

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Post by mrguyorama »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #20
ericd wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder which way they'd come down on this, seems like it might be a big (and free) attraction, if visitors could see the aftermath of those sunset launches. Seems like at ~60 miles away, the noise shouldn't be an issue.

The big issue is that the keep-out zone for rocket launches includes the cruise ships out of Port Canaveral, which is where Disney Cruises are based.

And a significant fraction of all other Cruise traffic in Florida.

Our non-disney cruise sailed out from there. There was lots of signage about how the waterways would be closed for the SpaceX launch the next day.

Re: Evolving the Multi-User Spaceport

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ffsm8 wrote: post #32
terminalshort wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when reusable rockets were aspirational thinking?

Hmm, you're aware that the space shuttle was "reusable" though, right? Because in this context, your question would squarly land around the time before STS-1 was launched in '81 For this to be about space x, you'd have to add some qualifiers - like "privately owned"

> you're aware that the space shuttle was "reusable" though, right?

Shuttle was reüsable on paper. It couldn’t unlock high-cadence launch because it was not built on an assembly line and had long, manual and error-prone refurbishment requirements.

Put practically, one couldn’t build a LEO constellation like Starlink or aim for in-orbit refuelling with the Shuttle. One can do the former with Falcon 9. One can attempt the latter with Starship.

Re: Evolving the Multi-User Spaceport

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Post by philipallstar »

ffsm8 wrote: post #32
terminalshort wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when reusable rockets were aspirational thinking?

Hmm, you're aware that the space shuttle was "reusable" though, right? Because in this context, your question would squarly land around the time before STS-1 was launched in '81 For this to be about space x, you'd have to add some qualifiers - like "privately owned"

The shuttle's rockets were not reusable.

Re: Evolving the Multi-User Spaceport

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Post by philipallstar »

dapperdrake wrote: post #6
Osyris wrote: post #5

I'm a big SpaceX fan, but as far as I can tell, this doesn't contain any real updates. It's just aspirational thinking.

Until SpaceX wasn’t aspirational, anymore.

The danger of continually making aspirations a reality.

Re: Evolving the Multi-User Spaceport

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Post by modeless »

ionwake wrote: post #39
chilmers wrote: post #28

I think the context some may be missing here is that Blue Origin and ULA have been attempting to get the FAA to limit SpaceX's planned Starship operations in Florida on the basis that they will have too much environmental impact and impede theirs: https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/07/theres-not-enough-room... So this is basically SpaceX arguing back about how these concerns aren't valid or can be mitigated through m…

I’m shocked Blue Origin would compete in such a men’s spirited way ? Or am I misunderstanding something here as a naive britbong

It's not the first time. To some extent it's just how the government contracting game is played. Regrettably. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Origin_Federation,_LLC_v....

Re: Evolving the Multi-User Spaceport

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Post by ACCount37 »

ionwake wrote: post #39
chilmers wrote: post #28

I think the context some may be missing here is that Blue Origin and ULA have been attempting to get the FAA to limit SpaceX's planned Starship operations in Florida on the basis that they will have too much environmental impact and impede theirs: https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/07/theres-not-enough-room... So this is basically SpaceX arguing back about how these concerns aren't valid or can be mitigated through m…

I’m shocked Blue Origin would compete in such a men’s spirited way ? Or am I misunderstanding something here as a naive britbong

There's a lot of underhanded competition going around there.

Previously, there were a few rather suspicious "environmental groups" hounding SpaceX - the understanding was that someone was funding them to try to throw a wrench in SpaceX's plans. This here looks like more of the same.

Re: Evolving the Multi-User Spaceport

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Post by ACCount37 »

modeless wrote: post #46
ionwake wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m shocked Blue Origin would compete in such a men’s spirited way ? Or am I misunderstanding something here as a naive britbong

It's not the first time. To some extent it's just how the government contracting game is played. Regrettably. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Origin_Federation,_LLC_v....

Notably, Blue Origin got its case thrown out, as NASA has demonstrated that Starship was selected for HLS over National Team option on technical merit.

Not that it stopped Bezos from lobbying for a second round of HLS contracts and securing a contract for Blue Origin anyway. But at least that resulted in a second HLS - instead of SpaceX's contract being clawed back.

Re: Evolving the Multi-User Spaceport

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Post by peterfirefly »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #35
terminalshort wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when reusable rockets were aspirational thinking?

No, I was born after DCX

They were very much still aspirational after DC-X. Getting to an altitude of just over 3km with essentially no path to orbit doesn't count.

Re: Evolving the Multi-User Spaceport

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Post by peterfirefly »

quailfarmer wrote: post #42

> Liquefaction is a process where saturated, loose soil loses its strength and behaves like a liquid, often occurring during events like earthquakes. That would be quite an environmental impact!

  Whenas in silks my Julia goes,
  Then, then (methinks) how sweetly flows
  That liquefaction of her clothes.

  Next, when I cast mine eyes, and see
  That brave vibration each way free,
  O how that glittering taketh me!
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