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Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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Re: Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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Well, that's...Electron for you. The most inefficient solution (in both space and time complexity) being suggested to build desktop apps is now shown to be causing widespread sluggishness. So much for interviewing developers for algorithms and data structures. Also Rust won't save you or make Electron faster either.

1. This is about a specific bug, not about Electron in general.

2. What better cross platform GUI alternative do you suggest?

Re: Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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I’m surprised to see so little pushback in press to iOS/macOS 26. I’ve been part of the public beta and it’s been so weird going from “this sucks but it’s a first beta” through “it really isn’t improving much as time goes by” to “we’re a week from launch, there’s no way they release this after the Apple Intelligence fiasco”. And yet here we are. Performance issues, ui inconsistencies and garish design everywhere.

I upgraded on launch and didn't notice anything too wrong. I like the UI and performance seems fine?

Re: Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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post #31

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Yeah, screen time for kids is absolutely broken in iOS 26.

I think you mean “since release”. Hasn’t it always had horrible problems? I’ve never heard a good thing about it in use.

I used it from iOS 15-18 and it always worked great. We try to limit our kids' iPad use to drawing in Freeform and the occasional edutainment app, and I never had issues with them escaping Guided Access or it causing lockups. The fact that I can barely trust it to work properly on iPadOS 26 is a huge disappointment for me.

Re: Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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post #28

Discord and VSCode work smoothly for me on an M4 MBP -- not sure if it's a compatibility difference or just performance hiding the problem, though. But Spotlight file search is completely broken, rebuilding the index doesn't help, and web results are the only thing it returns. After 20 years of intense research, Apple finally caught up to Microsoft in race to make search broken and useless.

M4 works great for me. M1 Max with 64gb of memory consistently has issues.

For what it’s worth, my 2020 M1 normal is chugging along like the champ that it is :).

Re: Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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Search works great for me, I’m sorry it broke on your machine but it needs to be broken for everyone to be on Microsoft’s level

Haha fair enough, and now it's fixed on my machine but Windows Search is still asking if you'd like Bing with that.

Hahaha always with the bing

Re: Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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"Not Apple's fault" is up for debate; even if Electron shouldn't be doing this, Apple arguably shouldn't be pushing out updates that cause issues with wide-swaths of software that users use regardless.

Apple’s attitude here is that it’s an inherent risk of using private APIs, because it’s not something they want devs doing. They don’t facilitate it like MS tends to. Don’t touch the stove if you don’t want to get burnt.

The person who's getting burnt is Random Officer Worker Joe, who just wants to run Slack and Spotify and who doesn't know a thing about Electron or private APIs, but knows that ever since upgrading their version of macOS things are running terribly. Apple's position is technically noble, but that doesn't help their users.

Re: Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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It depends. Numerous times when internet is spotty Slack and Discord both on different occasions have brought my systems to a halt until they can complete whatever task is stuck waiting (or I force close them). It's really fucking obnoxious that somehow a goddamn web app in a wrapper is managing to cause system wide hangs.

True, i'm gonna start limiting electron apps CPU and IO percentage to not halt everything

I think that's probably a recipe to hit the limits more often and end up being more frustrating, depending on your hardware.

Re: Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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Don't Electron-based apps cause lag on basically any system?

I know it's a defacto complaint to leverage against Electron apps, but memory usage notwithstanding, I've never run into much lag issue on any major Electron app.

Surely there is a more effective way to write an app than to bundle an entire end-of-life browser and Node.js runtime into a 600MB monstrosity.

Re: Electron-based apps cause system-wide lag on macOS 26 Tahoe

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post #36
post #25

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That’s the principle that prevented Windows from making any meaningful progress for the past three decades.

What? Windows made tons of progress while maintaining this principle and became the most popular operating system in the world. Are you trying to tell me that you believe the evolution of Windows from 1.0 all the way to 7 - the entire time trying to operate according to this principle - doesn't constitute meaningful progress? The recent stagnation of the OS has nothing to do with attempting to maintain backwards comp…

It’s true that they’ve made some progress but my work laptop running Windows 11 still has UI elements from Windows 95/NT 4. The file system hasn’t improved since then and the keyboard responsiveness is actually worse. BeOS on 90s hardware absolutely torches Windows 11 on things like UI responsiveness, ability to multitask without degrading UI performance, and the file system (not networking, of course, it wasn’t perfect).

I think it’s fair to question whether the decisions around backwards compatibility have been worth the cost but I’d imagine they’re already doing that. Enterprise IT departments love Windows but nobody else does, and the generation of people who grew up using iOS/Android and macOS/ChromeOS for school aren’t going to jump at the chance to bring that enterprise IT experience into their personal lives.

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