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Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Even if they were full professors, 25 seems like a literal drop in the bucket. There are 187 R1 universities in the US. Competition for professorships is so intense that a lot of people look at grad school as a sucker's bet. I'm happy for these people and for Austria, but I don't see a real news story here.

drop by drop, thats how a bucket fills.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Imagine if people made a Trump joke whenever New York City came up in conversation.

tbf Trump is at least somewhat relevant to whether the US is a good place to live right now. It's more like inserting a Charles Manson joke when someone says why they like California...

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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It's right in the first paragraph: "Austria has lured what it calls 25 "top researchers" away from U.S. institutions including Harvard, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Princeton with grants set up in response to the Trump administration's funding cuts targeting universities."

This article is missing key info. Which research areas are we talking about?

> Recipients of the grants of 500,000 euros ($587,000) each over two years range from post-doctoral researchers to professors and work in fields such as physics, chemistry and life sciences, the Austrian Academy of Sciences said in a statement on Thursday.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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On its own it isn't, but I suspect if all of these were reported you might think it quite significant.

Why do they not make an actual story out of this, do some research and publish whether there was some unusually high outflow of academics over the last two years? 25 people can not be an indication of anything. Academics especially are moving around often and take up work in different countries.

Either it's too hard or it would show a nothing-burger. Anecdotes are better for spreading misinformation when you're constrained by being factual.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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post #34

Even if they were full professors, 25 seems like a literal drop in the bucket. There are 187 R1 universities in the US. Competition for professorships is so intense that a lot of people look at grad school as a sucker's bet. I'm happy for these people and for Austria, but I don't see a real news story here.

The thing is that professors and research groups aren't fungible. Each one that moves represents a nontrivial loss in expertise for the US in some field. There are only so many groups doing basic research into materials science for microelectronics, for example---certainly not at all 187 R1 universities. But something like that is a strategic asset for the US, to the point that there's a DARPA office specifically to fund that work (https://www.darpa.mil/about/offices/mto).

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

#47

The article mentions paying them $587,000 each over 2 years. It also mentions at least some of the recruits were post-docs who average pay in the US is like $60k. If this is what brain drain is, where can I sign up?

I think a grant includes money for all expenses - experiments, equipment, salary for all staff not just the post-doc etc.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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post #32

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This is a story about Austria.

Not gonna lie I also read it as Australia....

I think it is the "Austria hails..." The extra ia/ai in there is throwing off our brains. I had to read it a few times before it stuck.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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post #34

Even if they were full professors, 25 seems like a literal drop in the bucket. There are 187 R1 universities in the US. Competition for professorships is so intense that a lot of people look at grad school as a sucker's bet. I'm happy for these people and for Austria, but I don't see a real news story here.

The thing is that professors and research groups aren't fungible. Each one that moves represents a nontrivial loss in expertise for the US in some field. There are only so many groups doing basic research into materials science for microelectronics, for example---certainly not at all 187 R1 universities. But something like that is a strategic asset for the US, to the point that there's a DARPA office specifically to…

Sure. It can be a meaningful story, I just often find myself wanting to see threads grounded in what the denominator is for the headline number.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Imagine if people made a Trump joke whenever New York City came up in conversation.

When talking to foreigners and someone mentions USA, it's about 50/50 I get a trump joke or a fat joke. I don't think HN is the place for it, but stereotyping countries is pretty common.

It should be trivial to combine them into one for a 100% score.
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