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Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by hamdingers »

RandomBacon wrote: post #22

My understanding is that "Best Practice" is to use different companies for different services (not to have all of your "eggs in one basket") in case something goes wrong with one company and they take everything down. This is what I have... Domain Name Registrar: Dynadot DNS: Cloudlare Hosting: Dreamhost Email: Fastmail Should everything be under Cloudflare? I think they also do domain name registration and now, soon…

I'm not sure what best practice actually is, but each different company you depend on is a different failure point. If CloudFlare goes down half the internet does (which is a problem of course, but not my problem), so from a purely utilitarian perspective depending on them feels like a safe bet.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by sophacles »

pier25 wrote: post #20
richwater wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects. With a pricing structure like that it appears they became too tired of verifying/validating users to not send spam. Unfortunately I don't blame them.

isn't this done automatically?

Sure, and then the spammers figure out how to fool the checks. And sendgrid has to figure out how to detect the new and improved spammers. Then the spammers figure out how to fool the new and improved checks... and so on.

The part where sendgrid has to keep figuring out how to make new and improved validation is expensive.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by safety1st »

mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

I dunno, I am basically a dick to Big Tech all the time, give me an opening and I will go after them with gusto, but I can't really find fault in Cloudflare offering email sending infrastructure.

The ire should be reserved for if and when they establish some kind of monopoly or other anti-consumer practices, fall afoul of anti-trust law, and inevitably the US government gives them a free pass for criminality like it has been doing for years with dozens of other Big Tech mergers, rollups, exclusivity dealings, etc. and appears to have just done again with Google a few weeks ago.

It is fine for big companies to offer competing email sending services. It is not fine for them to break competition laws.

Also yes, please do set up SPF, DKIM and DMARC for me. I may very well end up using this down the road because they say they'll do that for me and I just don't want to think about them in some situations.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by mbesto »

gethly wrote: post #9
mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

Was about to comment on this but you got right to the point. All of this is because people are lazy to build, let alone maintain, their own damn programs and servers.

Your website provides "paywalled hosting and sales platform for digital content creators"

Are digital content creators lazy too? Why don't they just host their content on their own damn servers?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by logicallee »

sgt wrote: post #35
maz1b wrote: post #26

It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.

This is a myth though (with some truth to it in certain cases). I've run my own mail infrastructure since 1999, no issues.

>This is a myth though (with some truth to it in certain cases). I've run my own mail infrastructure since 1999, no issues.

when was the last time you got a reply to an email you sent?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by ry167 »

RandomBacon wrote: post #22

My understanding is that "Best Practice" is to use different companies for different services (not to have all of your "eggs in one basket") in case something goes wrong with one company and they take everything down. This is what I have... Domain Name Registrar: Dynadot DNS: Cloudlare Hosting: Dreamhost Email: Fastmail Should everything be under Cloudflare? I think they also do domain name registration and now, soon…

You can't connect to your email or hosting if your DNS with Cloudflare is down.

Plus, Dynadot uses Cloudflare for their site, so you couldn't even change your nameservers if CF is down.

A random scatter won't protect you from a service like CF / AWS / GCP being down, and most users won't benefit from protecting from that sort of unlikely and major scenario anyway...

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by _blk »

This is indeed great. I've been using emailjs dot com for low volume sending so far but they connect to your account and send it through there which is obviously problematic.. Will be interesting to see how pricing for low volumes is there. So far, I've found CF to be more than fair, esp. given their potential for abusive pricing.
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