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Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

gdulli wrote: post #28
bitwize wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep hearing rumors that this is 100% correct. The PS6 will be a handheld like the Switch; the next Xbox is the "ASUS Xbox Ally".

I can't figure out how that makes sense. How could there not still be sigificant demand for a living room console that isn't underpowered from the handheld tradeoffs? As kids keep becoming adults their lifestyle evolves away from regularly taking their console to school and their friends houses.

Total agreement here. The handhelds have to make extreme compromises to fit in the power/heat/performance envelope. I would guess that most Steam Deck hours are clocked within someone’s home vs on the go.

I assume the screen on the Deck/Switch is the most expensive component. Are Microsoft+Sony really going to push units where consumers have to pay for a feature they know will go unused? I guess so long as they offer a screen-less “portable” for $$$ off the price.

Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Post by Manuel_D »

gdulli wrote: post #28
bitwize wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep hearing rumors that this is 100% correct. The PS6 will be a handheld like the Switch; the next Xbox is the "ASUS Xbox Ally".

I can't figure out how that makes sense. How could there not still be sigificant demand for a living room console that isn't underpowered from the handheld tradeoffs? As kids keep becoming adults their lifestyle evolves away from regularly taking their console to school and their friends houses.

I am similarly dubious of the idea that TV consoles will be abandoned. Handhelds necessarily require low power. Even the steam deck is considered too heavy for many users, and it struggles to run present generation games at 800p.

Nintendo is in a special situation. They have a successful handheld line established in the Gameboy. Their games tend not to be realistic, instead going for more cartoon-ey or Anime style that can be done with low poly counts and lower resolution textures. Nintendo didn't abandon their home console so much as they merged with with their existing handheld console.

Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Post by epolanski »

behnamoh wrote: post #11

Welp, that was the only reason to get XBOX, now I'm convinced I won't buy neither PS5 nor XBOX :) Seriously, how hard is it to DIY your own console? It's just a PC afterall.

I've built multiple living room, consoles PCs.

The experience is nowhere near the same.

- OSs do not compare fairly to how easily and care free is the UX on consoles: press one button, press another and you're in game

- Most PC games have issues with local coop, especially when it comes to bluetooth controllers, some games don't even release with local coop on PC, but they do on consoles

- Many games still expect a keyboard and mouse and won't popup the virtual keyboard when playing with a controller.

- The OS itself will not work with just a mouse and keyboard

- Dimensions are much bulkier, there's virtually no low profile well performing GPUs anymore since a decade

Honestly comparing a PC to a console is nonsense. It's a very different experience. Unless you're playing at your desk, then they are equivalent.

Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Post by dawnerd »

ViktorRay wrote: post #7

Xbox Series X is 5 years old. PlayStation 5 is 5 years old. I’m sure the PlayStation 6 is around the corner. PS5 came out 7 years after PS4 so PS6 should be coming within a couple years. Now that Microsoft has seemingly abandoned exclusives why would anyone grab the next gen Xbox console when it comes out in a couple years? Seems like PlayStation 6 is the only viable option.

That's like saying why would anyone buy a PC when there's Macs and you can run MS Office on them.

Not everyone cares about Sony exclusives. Not a single one I'm interested in as a data point.

Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Post by zac23or »

People are complaining about the price of games, about Microsoft giving up exclusivity on some games...

I've seen this happen in many markets. When no one uses the internet and annual growth is 1,000%, everyone tries to attract an audience. Free internet access, free email, etc.

Big budgets are very encouraging in growing markets (Sony surpassed Concord with a budget of 600 million, according to some sources). It's a gold rush.

When the market stops growing, everything free disappears and everyone tries to make money in every way.

Some numbers in the gaming market probably indicate the end of growth, so prices are starting to rise more sharply. The price of older consoles hasn't dropped, the end of exclusivity (having access to more people with the same game), you have to pay to access online games, etc. The idea is to squeeze every penny out of every player.

This is also happening with streaming now.

The big risk is pushing too hard and losing the audience.

I have no idea what will happen, but I bet piracy will increase significantly in the coming years, and the industry will start trying to discontinue older games and eliminate cheap ways to play, forcing cloud gaming.

Mobile games are a different story; they're essentially a casino disguised as gambling, making money off of sick people (the whales).

Maybe Steam will be the last refuge from all this. Or it will become the same thing...

Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Post by serf »

Svoka wrote: post #20
behnamoh wrote: post #11

Welp, that was the only reason to get XBOX, now I'm convinced I won't buy neither PS5 nor XBOX :) Seriously, how hard is it to DIY your own console? It's just a PC afterall.

If you can afford PC, both in effort, time and money - it is obviously better choice. Two years ago I saw a cool game, Helldivers 2. It looked like a lot of fun but my old PC was not up to the task. I went to the store, got PS5 and in couple hours I was enjoying the game. It is so much fun, and so little hustle that I honestly can't imagine going back.

you were just setup a different way; I haven't owned a TV in like 15 years, if I wanted to jump into a console it'd be just about as much effort as building a gaming PC for me.

I would need to start reading TV reviews, re-arrange the living room, etc.

I mean, yeah, I am not going to need to worry about resolution and graphics options as much, now I just need to figure out how to ad-block a smart TV and pay a new subscription fee (probably) .

My point : convenience is all relative.

Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Post by gambiting »

gdulli wrote: post #28
bitwize wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep hearing rumors that this is 100% correct. The PS6 will be a handheld like the Switch; the next Xbox is the "ASUS Xbox Ally".

I can't figure out how that makes sense. How could there not still be sigificant demand for a living room console that isn't underpowered from the handheld tradeoffs? As kids keep becoming adults their lifestyle evolves away from regularly taking their console to school and their friends houses.

I mean current gen consoles are already massively underpowered(in the literal sense) compared to actual PCs - PS5 uses like 120-150W when running, that's laptop terittory(in fact it's half of my gaming laptop). Clearly they could do a lot more with a higher power budget, but are choosing not to because the gains are not worth the increased heat and noise.

And with modern upscaling solutions I think you'd be surprised what can be done in a small package - so in that way a "portable" PS6 that can be used in or outside of the dock makes perfect sense.

>>As kids keep becoming adults their lifestyle evolves away from regularly taking their console to school and their friends houses.

You see, as I got older and got my own kids I lost appetite for playing on the TV or my gaming PC. I'd rather have something portable so I can play next to my wife on the sofa. That's why my Steam Deck is seeing 10x more use than my RTX5090 desktop PC.

Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Post by lttlrck »

fyrabanks wrote: post #32
ViktorRay wrote: post #7

Xbox Series X is 5 years old. PlayStation 5 is 5 years old. I’m sure the PlayStation 6 is around the corner. PS5 came out 7 years after PS4 so PS6 should be coming within a couple years. Now that Microsoft has seemingly abandoned exclusives why would anyone grab the next gen Xbox console when it comes out in a couple years? Seems like PlayStation 6 is the only viable option.

even PlayStation exclusives are showing up on PC/other platforms later... Last of Us Remastered, Ghost of Tsushima, Death Stranding, FF7 Remake, etc. the only reason to buy a traditional console these days if you want day 1 access to a game.

For many, the reason to pick a console over a PC is as true today as it has always been: UX.

I do wish they'd bring Gran Turismo to PC. If that happens, I think it will signal the end of PlayStation as we know it.

Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming to Playstation 5 on December 8th

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Post by lotsoweiners »

gdulli wrote: post #28
bitwize wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep hearing rumors that this is 100% correct. The PS6 will be a handheld like the Switch; the next Xbox is the "ASUS Xbox Ally".

I can't figure out how that makes sense. How could there not still be sigificant demand for a living room console that isn't underpowered from the handheld tradeoffs? As kids keep becoming adults their lifestyle evolves away from regularly taking their console to school and their friends houses.

> As kids keep becoming adults their lifestyle evolves away from regularly taking their console to school and their friends houses.

Yes but adults like myself want to sit in the living room and play on handheld while the wife or kids watch tv. This is what I’ve been doing for years with my Steamdeck and Switch.

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