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An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by chris12321 »

mikl wrote: post #22
us-merul wrote: post #3

From the linked DHH writing: “There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese.” To clarify, who are the Brits exactly? Do the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh count, and who gets to say that? Also, the Ainu were there before the Japanese.

Great Britain is the big island next to Ireland. So the Scots, Welsh and English are British. Most Irish people would not take kindly to be called British, but then there’s Northern Ireland with all its complexities.

A majority of people in North West England has Irish ancestry. Are those people not British?

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by daveidol »

archagon wrote: post #36

Wow, I didn’t realize that DHH had gone off the rails* into full-on white nationalism: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 It’s fucked how normalized this sort of “Britain/US for Whites” rhetoric has become over the last few years. London is and always will be a global city. And praising Tommy Robinson as some sort of hero surely involves a degree of brain damage.

Honest question: would it be any different if someone were to write a piece complaining about the cultural identity of, say, Japan being lost due to American or European immigrants/tourists?

Also what is your opinion on gentrification?

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by archagon »

daveidol wrote: post #42
archagon wrote: post #36

Wow, I didn’t realize that DHH had gone off the rails* into full-on white nationalism: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 It’s fucked how normalized this sort of “Britain/US for Whites” rhetoric has become over the last few years. London is and always will be a global city. And praising Tommy Robinson as some sort of hero surely involves a degree of brain damage.

Honest question: would it be any different if someone were to write a piece complaining about the cultural identity of, say, Japan being lost due to American or European immigrants/tourists? Also what is your opinion on gentrification?

I don’t see a lot of people talking about Britain losing its cultural identity without also using dehumanizing language to describe the “invaders.” I mean, look at the closer to this article:

> You survived the Blitz. Britain will be back.

It’s pretty clear that the author thinks that Britain is at war and that the “invaders” are not real Brits, regardless of their legal status. Given the political coalition that DHH seems to proudly support, I assume he would be in favor of “remigration” (forceful expulsion of non-whites) just like Musk and others in these circles.

This is all just very faintly disguised racism.

FWIW, if someone wrote an article talking about how they respect London’s diversity, and how immigrants bring value to the country, but that the ratio of native to immigrant feels off, I would at least respect that (while disagreeing).

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by daveidol »

archagon wrote: post #43
daveidol wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: would it be any different if someone were to write a piece complaining about the cultural identity of, say, Japan being lost due to American or European immigrants/tourists? Also what is your opinion on gentrification?

I don’t see a lot of people talking about Britain losing its cultural identity without also using dehumanizing language to describe the “invaders.” I mean, look at the closer to this article: > You survived the Blitz. Britain will be back. It’s pretty clear that the author thinks that Britain is at war and that the “invaders” are not real Brits, regardless of their legal status. Given the political coalition that DHH…

I agree I think he probably goes too far in that post. Some of what he says at the beginning sounds like an opinion on cultural displacement (perhaps a reasonable discussion), but he veers into more fear-mongering and generalizations about specific groups.

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by archagon »

srid wrote: post #15
minimaxir wrote: post #2

> GitHub issues are disabled on this repo to keep it on-topic and reduce argumentative discussions that go nowhere. Feel free to discuss this in all the usual places though. I get that GitHub Issues for controversial repos tends to invite trolls, but "discuss this in all the usual places" guarantees there will be no traction.

You can still open PRs, like this one: https://github.com/Plan-Vert/open-letter/pull/32

I’m sure they don’t care today, but since these people proudly slap their names on their jeering comments, I imagine that someday their leftist children will read them and feel disgusted at the mocking cruelty. Will the authors feel shame then, I wonder? Or just more anger? The present political climate might make them feel righteous and invincible, but it is only a feeling.

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by tempaccount421 »

archagon wrote: post #29
ilikehurdles wrote: post #8

These people sound like they teleported straight out of a sociology classroom from 2017 or 2020 and didn’t catch what year it is. This whole puritanical bully culture is completely dead. Get out of your echochambers, and read the room already. If you think rails is worth forking, fork it. If you think it shouldn’t be used, don’t use it. If you can’t be around a diversity of viewpoints, especially opinions that offend…

I doubt you’ve ever set foot in a sociology classroom before. Perhaps a smattering of liberal arts education would help tame your hysteria.

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Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by tempaccount421 »

us-merul wrote: post #3

From the linked DHH writing: “There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese.” To clarify, who are the Brits exactly? Do the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh count, and who gets to say that? Also, the Ainu were there before the Japanese.

Good point. British people don't really exist. What are even English or Scottish people? French people? European people? Where does it start, where does it end? We don't know.

We don't know what a white person is. No idea, no clue. Where could we even start?

Funnily enough, though, those considerations never seem to apply to Palestinians, native Americans, indigenous Australians, etc. There is only a certain group that is somehow impossible to define precisely, yet is the primary target of those considerations.

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by ilikehurdles »

archagon wrote: post #45
srid wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still open PRs, like this one: https://github.com/Plan-Vert/open-letter/pull/32

I’m sure they don’t care today, but since these people proudly slap their names on their jeering comments, I imagine that someday their leftist children will read them and feel disgusted at the mocking cruelty. Will the authors feel shame then, I wonder? Or just more anger? The present political climate might make them feel righteous and invincible, but it is only a feeling.

> their leftist children

you are not ready for what's coming

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by [deleted] »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #48
archagon wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure they don’t care today, but since these people proudly slap their names on their jeering comments, I imagine that someday their leftist children will read them and feel disgusted at the mocking cruelty. Will the authors feel shame then, I wonder? Or just more anger? The present political climate might make them feel righteous and invincible, but it is only a feeling.

> their leftist children you are not ready for what's coming

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Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by archagon »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #48
archagon wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure they don’t care today, but since these people proudly slap their names on their jeering comments, I imagine that someday their leftist children will read them and feel disgusted at the mocking cruelty. Will the authors feel shame then, I wonder? Or just more anger? The present political climate might make them feel righteous and invincible, but it is only a feeling.

> their leftist children you are not ready for what's coming

I think you’ll find yourself sorely disappointed in a decade or two.
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