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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by risyachka »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #5
ericmay wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft can also just pay the fee right? My understanding is that it’s on the employer to pay, not the individual. Given that these are incredibly skilled folks this would certainly be annoying if you’re Microsoft (like any other tax or fee) but given the value they get from each employee it seems like $100,000 isn’t much.

Incredibly skilled? More like incredibly low paid. H1Bs are mostly used now to save money not to fill high skilled jobs. I know US citizens who have 10+ years of experience as software engineers and have been out of work for a year now. The $100k will try to take that advantage away from employers.

I also know people with 10 yoe. But when I dig into it almost always those people have a massive list of requirements for the job they want (remote/short commute/no overtime ever/etcetc)

Though it is reasonable to ask whatever you want you must understand there are always someone more desperate (and often with higher skills) that will take that job.

So the fact that 10yoe can’t find a job doesn’t mean anything. Usually this is either too many demands from seeker or skill issue.

Or they don’t eant to take lower salary.

If a company was willing to pay 70k for a developer you must be delusional to think they will suddenly decide to pay 100k+ for local talent.

They will just get a remote contractor

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by jonpurdy »

xyzelement wrote: post #14

Skimming the articles I don't see the source of the 15 hour urgency. Seems like the fee is on new visas - what's promoting Microsoft to send this notice to existing people?

Reading a thread on r/immigration involving multiple immigration lawyers and corporate lawyers※, the Executive Order wording is apparently unclear and leaves CBP agents with discretion (which can obviously cause confusion and not apply the same rules to everyone).

Much easier for the companies to recommend/insist on folks fly back before the deadline to avoid issues.

※ - https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/1nlo8jd/h1b_pr...

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by nenenejej »

jjgreen wrote: post #30
drooopy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that people who potentially moved to the US for employment perhaps from the other side of the globe, give everything up immediately and make a 180 and find a new job in another country? Do you have some examples as to how this could work?

I'm suggesting that people who were thinking of moving to the US think again.

That's 2023 thinking. 2025 is fuck no.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by stronglikedan »

tom89999 wrote: post #24

Get your relatives and family out of this shithole and start a new life somewhere else. Why paying taxes for fat crooks? Why working your ass off for major companiel that dont pay taxes? I more and more understand people leaving their home country.

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by Muromec »

ericmay wrote: post #21
pavlov wrote: post #7

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Have you ever worked for a large corporation? Do you think there’s an intranet website where you can just go click on the “Send $100k Wire Now” button? It’s going to take a long time while Microsoft figures out if they will actually pay these fees and which budget it should come out of. Meanwhile, if you didn’t return by Sunday, you’re locked out of the country and unable to show up for work which will result in your…

> Meanwhile, if you didn’t return by Sunday, you’re locked out of the country and unable to show up for work which will result in your termination fairly soon. I’m actually curious, have you worked at a large corporation before? It would be atypical for the scenario you are describing to occur given that there has been a US government policy change that’s of no fault of the employee who is still eligible to work in t…

>Folks aren’t going to be sitting around on Monday morning saying jeez Billy on the H1B visa didn’t show up to work today and we have no clue why, guess he is fired!

I deeply suspect it will go both ways -- one Billy would be paid for, while the other will be fired for not being able to show up. Not every Billy is on the same good standing with the corp.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by foogazi »

brainless wrote: post #37

This is terrible lack of planning. I understand the need for the US to be strict about people entering the country. They have a right to choose but this is so mismanaged. There are so many active H-1B visa holders, now everyone is just anxious. The rules can start for new visa applications. For existing holders, there should be a time period where people can figure out if the employer is even able to pay. If this sta…

> This is terrible lack of planning.

POSIWID

This is what the system wants

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by JBorrow »

usernamed7 wrote: post #40
JBorrow wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people on H1Bs work for nonprofits or hospitals, or are otherwise publicly funded.

i have never heard of this and nothing i've read has indicated this; it's always been tech companies large fortune 500's. I did some googling and am not finding anything to support this claim, either. If you've got sources i'd love to see them.

You should look up 'cap-exempt H1B'. Many postdoctoral researchers, research staff, and doctors use the H1B program.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by mrbombastic »

brainless wrote: post #37

This is terrible lack of planning. I understand the need for the US to be strict about people entering the country. They have a right to choose but this is so mismanaged. There are so many active H-1B visa holders, now everyone is just anxious. The rules can start for new visa applications. For existing holders, there should be a time period where people can figure out if the employer is even able to pay. If this sta…

The strength of a theory lies in its predictive capacity. I used to think people who said “the cruelty is the point” were hyperbolic, but the predictive capacity of that theory is doing pretty well these days.
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