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Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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Hmmm this is a preemptive lawsuit from Morgan and Morgan for clarity, which seems to be in bad form Morgan and Morgan should just launch the commercial, it sounds hilarious

> Hmmm this is a preemptive lawsuit from Morgan and Morgan for clarity, which seems to be in bad form

Not a lawyer, but to bring a lawsuit in the US you typically have to show that you've suffered a real injury that the court can remedy. How can Morgan and Morgan establish standing here?

Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

#42

Hmmm this is a preemptive lawsuit from Morgan and Morgan for clarity, which seems to be in bad form Morgan and Morgan should just launch the commercial, it sounds hilarious

> Hmmm this is a preemptive lawsuit from Morgan and Morgan for clarity, which seems to be in bad form Not a lawyer, but to bring a lawsuit in the US you typically have to show that you've suffered a real injury that the court can remedy. How can Morgan and Morgan establish standing here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratory_judgment

Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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I’ve never heard of a regulation governing attorney’s fees. Which regulations might you be referring to?

For example, Florida Bar Rule 4-1.5(a) prohibits "clearly excessive" attorney's fees, while 4-1.5(f)(4)(B) sets several criteria for contingency fees (typically the sort of fees a plaintiff's firm would charge) that, if not met, renders a fee presumptively "clearly excessive".

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Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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Am I wrong in thinking this makes more sense than decades/centuries long copyrights? Let the copyright on a work expire so I can share my copy of Toy Story with my friends, but retain a trademark on the characters so that I can't go around making new Toy Story movies (or theme parks or pajamas).

> retain a trademark on the characters so that I can't go around making new Toy Story movies Here's a quick thought experiment: Suppose I create a small movie company based on another character also in the public domain, and I successfully receive a trademark for my logo, which is... Jesus Christ. Does/Should that give me control over anyone selling or distributing other books, movies, pictures, and songs depicting J…

You can't get the trademark on the parts that are in common use, and you can't the trademark in a way that harms language. You can get protection over stuff that you invented and doesn't limit how people talk to each other.

On this case specifically, you can't make a Mickey Mouse cartoon in a way that looks like it came from Disney. That's all that the trademark protects.

Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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We're talking about parody though, there's case law suggesting it would be fine: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/intellectual_property_law...

Maybe I'm just not up on my understanding, but I don't see how this is parody? There's not really any jokes, it's not a commentary on Disney, Disney's Mice, or boating or driving or society at large. Maybe running into a car on the road with a boat is a joke, I guess.

A ship running into a car isn't a joke to you?

Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I wrong in thinking this makes more sense than decades/centuries long copyrights? Let the copyright on a work expire so I can share my copy of Toy Story with my friends, but retain a trademark on the characters so that I can't go around making new Toy Story movies (or theme parks or pajamas).

But why shouldn't you be able to make a new Toy Story movie 100 years, give or take, after the original?

Yes

But ten years

A decade is enough

IP is a trade off, and the balance is wonky

Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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> Hmmm this is a preemptive lawsuit from Morgan and Morgan for clarity, which seems to be in bad form Not a lawyer, but to bring a lawsuit in the US you typically have to show that you've suffered a real injury that the court can remedy. How can Morgan and Morgan establish standing here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratory_judgment

Awesome, exactly what I wanted to learn. Thanks!

Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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Morgan and Morgan is a plaintiffs firm specializing in personal injury (though they have other areas of practice). For those not familiar with the US system, if someone hits a victim with their car, a victim slips and falls in a store, etc. and the victim sues, Morgan and Morgan commonly handles that type of case for the victim. Basically the usual "Americans will sue each other for anything" type of law firm (though…

This is basically what we have in the US instead of a strong regulatory state. One of the few ways consumers might seek justice against a giant corporation.

That's why I called out that I didn't mean my description of their work as criticism, strictly speaking.

Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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Title is incorrect. The firm isn't taking Disney to court. They are asking the court to look at their ad and confirm that it doesn't infringe on Disney's trademark, thus shielding themselves from future lawsuits from Disney.

Isn’t Disney a party to the declaratory judgment action which Morgan and Morgan filed, but without Disney having chosen to include itself in the action? That counts as the firm taking Disney to court.

Re: Morgan and Morgan takes Disney to court over 'Steamboat Willie' in ads

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The suit is about trademark. Whether it'll fly or not is up in the air, but that's the reason that Disney actively made the "Steamboat Willie" version part of their pre-film branding.

I think in a sane world (heh) using "Steamboat Willie" should only be impaired by Disney trademark exactly as much (or as little) as people would be prevented from sharing pictures of the Statue of Liberty just because some tax-preparation company has a photo-realistic outline in their logo. In both cases the company has zero rights to the underlying public thing, and the court just needs to ask: "Is someone trying t…

After some AI-assisted probing, it seems like if Disney wants to challenge this use, they'll likely be arguing that S.W. is a "famous mark" akin to Coca-Cola or Nike and thus merits additional broad protection under the Trademark Dilution Revision Act of 2006 (TDRA). (I haven't checked to see whether one of Disney's pet congresscritters sponsored that one, as was the case with at least one of the copyright extension acts that kept SW out of the public domain on a few occasions).

If they can meet the bar established in TDRA they can probably squash all usage of Willie, even in unrelated-industries usage not intended to confuse consumers, in the same way that you can't market "Coca-Cola bedsheets" or a "Google Bicycle" without a license from the trademark holder.

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