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Rails Needs New Governance

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Re: Rails Needs New Governance

#41

Post by themafia »

bastawhiz wrote: post #40
yugellen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post linked to articles on DHH's blog that shows he's an opinionated guy and had no qualms about expressing his views. So what? If you're upset with his takes, that's on you to manage your own emotions accordingly.

Sure, I'll work on Django instead. That's not the point. Why would the Rails community not care that the guy they're keeping in charge is actively alienating people? Since when is there a shortage of people who would be great leaders

> is actively alienating people?

Are rails contributors required to read DHH's blogs and signal their agreement before a patch is accepted? Then what is "active" about this?

Speaking of workplace standards, if your boss publishes a personal blog you don't like, what is HR going to do for you other than tell you to stop reading it?

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by N2yhWNXQN3k9 »

rails is a cult.

DHH isn't a great architect. he was a yung feller with okay ideas. most of those ideas suck in the grand scheme of time.

with modern tooling, the general direction is more confusion than time saving (rails's original major goal)

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

#43

Post by sarchertech »

jemmyw wrote: post #31
sarchertech wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah most of the blog articles the author linked to were very mainstream views that they tried to make sound nefarious. The vast majority of them wouldn’t have been out of place coming from Democratic politicians. Trying to force the creator of Rails out because he is too centrist is insane.

We have to rub along with people who have different political views to our own and I strongly agree that people shouldn't be forced out for opinions held that have little to do with the organization in question. However, I clicked two of those blog links and the second one, on "consent culture" has genuinely upset me a little. And I am personally in no way deviant from his ideal norm, nuclear family with 3 kids. But…

I don’t agree with everything or even most of what the man says. I don’t know that I’ve specifically ever heard the phrase divine joy, but similar phrases like children are a gift from God or a blessing from God are extremely common.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Barrack Obama said something similar about children. I do know he called his children the “Great joy of his life”.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

#44

Post by mariusor »

aaaAAAaaa_aaa wrote: post #27
sherburt3 wrote: post #11

Open source software is great and all but I just wish that everyone that disagreed with me wasn’t allowed in.

Are you saying this in defense of DHH? If I were trans, I would feel pretty damn unwelcome about contributing to (or even using) a project whose BDFL is posting in support of a "comedian" who says: > If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent, abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops and if all else fails, punch him in the balls. And that's a tweet that DHH agrees with enough to…

I hate to have to say this, because people seem pretty quick at drawing the wrong conclusions about anyone that disagrees with their very strong opinions, I'm not even saying that what DHH said is in actual support of Linehan, but sometimes acknowledging the right of assholes to say things without having the government come down on them, is not the same thing as being of the same opinion with said assholes.

And while I support everyone's right to boycott personalities that they disagree with, I dislike when that turns into a paternalistic crusade against those people through peer pressuring away anyone involved with them. Shaming other people into doing what you feel is the right thing is equally harmful, in my humble opinion, to whatever harm these personalities might effect onto the wider internet.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

#45

Post by yomismoaqui »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #5

All this drama has me worried. I'm unemployed and I've been doing ruby on rails for most of my career. With all the drama lately, do I need to find a different language or framework to work with? Edit: Just for clarity, I have used a lot more than ruby outside of work.

In my career I have been a "Perl programmer", a "Java programmer", a "Python programmer", a "JS programmer"... the common word in all of these titles being "programmer".

The value you bring to a company should be more than your knowledge of a specific syntax and ecosystem. You get paid to solve problems with computers, strive for that.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by zzzeek »

the Ruby language and interpreter has always horrified me and while I know absolutely nothing about whatever progress has been made in Ruby land, I can't believe after the decades of enormous effort and improvement that has gone into Python that people are still stuck on Ruby. Don't worry, I'm old and irrelevant.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

#47

Post by jemmyw »

sarchertech wrote: post #43
jemmyw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have to rub along with people who have different political views to our own and I strongly agree that people shouldn't be forced out for opinions held that have little to do with the organization in question. However, I clicked two of those blog links and the second one, on "consent culture" has genuinely upset me a little. And I am personally in no way deviant from his ideal norm, nuclear family with 3 kids. But…

I don’t agree with everything or even most of what the man says. I don’t know that I’ve specifically ever heard the phrase divine joy, but similar phrases like children are a gift from God or a blessing from God are extremely common. I wouldn’t be surprised if Barrack Obama said something similar about children. I do know he called his children the “Great joy of his life”.

I suppose my problem with it is the implied imposition on others. DHH didn't write that his own children are a joy. He wrote that we should be teaching others that children are a divine joy.

Kids are hard work, and they aren't a joy or a gift to everyone. When someone like DHH, who had the resources to take some of the grind of parenthood away, expounds having kids it doesn't come with "and I'll be sharing my wealth to make it easier"

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by sarchertech »

jemmyw wrote: post #47
sarchertech wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree with everything or even most of what the man says. I don’t know that I’ve specifically ever heard the phrase divine joy, but similar phrases like children are a gift from God or a blessing from God are extremely common. I wouldn’t be surprised if Barrack Obama said something similar about children. I do know he called his children the “Great joy of his life”.

I suppose my problem with it is the implied imposition on others. DHH didn't write that his own children are a joy. He wrote that we should be teaching others that children are a divine joy. Kids are hard work, and they aren't a joy or a gift to everyone. When someone like DHH, who had the resources to take some of the grind of parenthood away, expounds having kids it doesn't come with "and I'll be sharing my wealth…

I looked into it and 37 signals offers 16 weeks fully paid parental leave. I think that’s the definition of sharing his wealth to make it easier.

He also seems to have been a strong advocate for parental leave laws and other structural changes to make it easier to raise children.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

#49

Post by tim333 »

cmer wrote: post #3

DHH and Tobi are far right? Give me a break!

I'm struck by

>...posts from DHH covering a range of far-right talking points... all the way to outright nationalism

which links to DHH saying he's proud to be Danish https://world.hey.com/dhh/national-pride-f7aa1e92

The horror!

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