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DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

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Re: DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

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pesus wrote: post #24
mgh2 wrote: post #19

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Reading the actual study says: > Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives. Link: https://archive.is/2024.10.24-222147/https://nij.ojp.gov/top...

Um... there was this thing called "September 11". It was after 1990. Out of the three named groups, 520 killed does not put them at the top.

The left only killed 15% as many people as the right. That is noteworthy. But saying that "Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than... radical Islamist extremists" has to be massively cherry-picking the data.

Re: DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

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Post by dylan604 »

tim333 wrote: post #42
dylan604 wrote: post #14

Other than the Weather Underground, I'm having trouble thinking of left wing groups.

It's gone a bit out of fashion but FARC were big in their day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Armed_Forces_of_...

The US' DOJ would not be concerned about Colombian revolutionaries like this though

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Post by tim333 »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #5

> Elon Musk, who owns X, recently tweeted that he was going to “fix” the platform’s AI assistant Grok after it cited research that showed right-wing violence was more common than left-wing violence: “My apologies, we are fixing this cringe idiocy by Grok,” he said. I understand why it's hard to make AI that's accurate, but Musk's elite engineers can't even make it push a preferred narrative consistently. Sounds like…

I find it quite amusing that Grok tends to contradict Musk's untruths.

Re: DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

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Post by jdiff »

hypeatei wrote: post #29
proxyon wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

antifa

Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think antifa has been relevant for the past... five years? My mind puts them in the pre-COVID bucket.

They've remained a continuous feature of right wing scare media.

Re: DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

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Post by jdiff »

Insanity wrote: post #36
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #5

> Elon Musk, who owns X, recently tweeted that he was going to “fix” the platform’s AI assistant Grok after it cited research that showed right-wing violence was more common than left-wing violence: “My apologies, we are fixing this cringe idiocy by Grok,” he said. I understand why it's hard to make AI that's accurate, but Musk's elite engineers can't even make it push a preferred narrative consistently. Sounds like…

Regardless of the bias inherent in Grok, it wasn't a good experience to me. I tried it for some time before going back to ChatGPT (this was before GPT-5 though, I'm also not super happy with GPT-5 UX)

What issues did you have with Grok/are having with GPT5?

Re: DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

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Post by sketchysandwich »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #41
pesus wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading the actual study says: > Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives. Link: https://archive.is/2024.10.24-222147/https://nij.ojp.gov/top...

Um... there was this thing called "September 11". It was after 1990. Out of the three named groups, 520 killed does not put them at the top. The left only killed 15% as many people as the right. That is noteworthy. But saying that "Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than... radical Islamist extremists" has to be massively cherry-picking the data.

key word is domestic

Re: DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

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Post by mingus88 »

jdiff wrote: post #13
hypeatei wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think this is not too surprising? I don't think we should normalize cover ups like this especially when it comes to political violence studies. POTUS immediately blamed the "radical left" after the attack without evidence. Not only is that reckless, it's not even the most likely scenario. > If you already have guns, the threshold for terrorist actions is likely lower Guns are easily accessible to everyone in Amer…

Guns are accessible, but prior gun ownership is skewed, and prior gun ownership is one less barrier to cross when attempting political violence. In theory, that should mean increased attempts for that high-gun-ownership demographic.

Exactly, because owning a gun and being trained are very different things.

I own guns but I am not capable of performing a Charlie Kirk style assassination. Nor could I actually carry out a school shooting with high rate of fire across many weapons.

Both of these crimes require that the shooter have training and practice in this style of shooting. You need specialized equipment beyond what a casual gun owner will spend. Buying a 9mm and going to the range every couple of months isn’t cutting it.

Gun culture creates the environment where folk are prepping for combat situations. Go watch any guntuber and you’ll see them train for military situations that your hunter, farmer, or even family defense gun owner is not concerned with.

In fact, I learned that there’s a pejorative term “Fudds” for gun owners who aren’t militarized like this. As in, Elmer Fudd; an actual hunter that uses guns for game. Somehow this is not a respectable person for a gun nut.

When gun ownership becomes a hobby and personality trait you see a lot more people optimizing their habits toward maximum lethality

Re: DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

sketchysandwich wrote: post #47
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um... there was this thing called "September 11". It was after 1990. Out of the three named groups, 520 killed does not put them at the top. The left only killed 15% as many people as the right. That is noteworthy. But saying that "Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than... radical Islamist extremists" has to be massively cherry-picking the data.

key word is domestic

It's still a massive cherry-pick.

But I suppose it might depend on the point of the study. If the point is "what dangers should people in the US be worried about", then it's absolutely a cherry-pick. If international terrorists kill you, you're still just as dead. But if the point is "where should law enforcement focus its efforts", and if international terrorism is not the responsibility of the same people, then the distinction matters.

Note "not a responsibility" is different from "not primarily the responsibility".

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