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My thoughts on renting versus buying

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Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#42
I have owned a few homes over the years and have also had many landlords. The house we rented in Lafayette, Ca in 2010 was in a nice hood. At the time it was 2 years past the financial crisis and homeownership was not something I wanted to do for a while. The land lady we rented from wanted to sell the house for 650k. That house is now 4.3 million on zillow. Granted it has since had a renovation and an addition, but still. We also rented a townhouse in Encinitas, Ca. The rent was 3k a month in 2017 and now a similar townhouse in the same complex is renting out for 6500. The problem with renting is that eventually you get priced out of the nicer hoods. The problem with not buying a house when a deal shows up in a decent hood is that eventually that hood will never be affordable to mere mortals again. Maybe these rules only apply to California.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#43
I took the middle way. I bought an RV and I rent the space I keep it in. I can move to a new park if I want and there are several counties where you can live in an RV while building a home or you can just permanently live in an RV.

I get good flexibility and value for my dollar. The savings over renting is insane.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#44

Home prices have dramatically exceeded inflation for a long time, so you're getting advice from people who reaped huge appreciation gains. Now housing prices are hitting affordability limits, interest rates are less appealing, so it's unclear if the future will look like the past.

Interest rates for home-ownership are a ratchet, though. If they ever go down (and they do fluctuate over the course of decades), and you are financially stable (this may or may not be the case at the right time) you can generally refinance to lock-in the lower rate.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#45
post #17

The argument the author makes about the returns in stocks being higher than returns in real estate does not really hold when taking leverage into account. In my country, buying a home is the only way to get cheap debt for the vast majority of people.

you are forgetting that ppl have to take lower paying jobs ( or stay unemployed longer) because they are now tied down to that particular location

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#46
As someone who's both renting and has bought (renting my main flat and bought a summer flat), I think I prefer buying. I'm always living in fear of being told I have to leave, and the flexibility is overrated because everyone I've talked to tends to just like where they happened to live. Everyone generally finds the positives of their current area to be the positives they really like, and the negatives manageable.

This means that, generally, no matter where you buy, you won't want to have bought anywhere else after a few years. There are cases where you might hate it, of course, but you could still sell/rent to someone else and buy/rent elsewhere.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#47

My mortgage is $1900 a month and I am extremely grateful for that, because it's been that for three years. I chose to buy so that I could have more predictability in my housing costs, and maybe someday I'll move, but then I'll rent it out. All that to say, if you can buying is infinitely better.

only because you got lucky to buy at that interest rates. Thats like saying it makes sense to buy tesla stock because i bought it at $10

You can refinance your mortgage when interest rates are lower.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#48
This article seems to present surface level arguments that aren't entirely fleshed out very well. Ex: what is the actual emotional impact of renting vs buying as that seems like it is the core underlying argument being made. I think the argument presented is dubious specifically because rents are a non fixed cost and provide no direct guaranteed long term benefit. Even as someone that purchased in 2021 with a price locked in from 2020, rents in my area are now equivalent or higher and it only took 2 years for the rent to catch up!. The graph tells the story that others are pointing out:

https://www.realpage.com/storage/files/blog/posts/images/202...

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#49
First of all, I fundamentally disagree on the notion that buying a home should be considered an investment (I would go as far as to argue that this attitude is part of the reason the real estate markets are so broken in many places of the world). I don't want to be rich and I don't need to be - I just want a place where my kids some day can grow up, where I can enjoy the sun in the garden and invite family and friends over to spend a nice evening. I do not care about the financial aspect of it beyond "can I afford this without overstretching and putting my family into financial danger".

From a purely financial perspective, I think you could say: the more protections you as a renter receive, the more renting makes sense.

Living in Germany, I do have quite a few protections as a renter. My landlord can't arbitrarily hike prices, etc. In my current city, it would be absolutely impossible to get a mortgage anywhere close to my current monthly rent (even with substantial equity)

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#50
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

only because you got lucky to buy at that interest rates. Thats like saying it makes sense to buy tesla stock because i bought it at $10

You can refinance your mortgage when interest rates are lower.

you can also win a lottery
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