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South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by pylua »

yongjik wrote: post #36
pylua wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that they are in illegally, the U.S. is the party that should be upset. If you are going to do business in the U.S. then you need to follow us laws.

You can say you're (rightfully) upset, without throwing employees of a major investor onto a jail without functioning toilets. The problem is that the US is sending deeply conflicting messages. Does it want Hyundai's investment or not? It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.

I’m having trouble following this argument. Are you saying Hyundai built this factory expecting to gain nothing in return ?

It’s only logical that if you operate in the U.S. you follow basic U.S. laws.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by pnw »

yongjik wrote: post #36
pylua wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that they are in illegally, the U.S. is the party that should be upset. If you are going to do business in the U.S. then you need to follow us laws.

You can say you're (rightfully) upset, without throwing employees of a major investor onto a jail without functioning toilets. The problem is that the US is sending deeply conflicting messages. Does it want Hyundai's investment or not? It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.

They are not Hyundai employees. Hyundai subcontracted the work out, and the subcontractors failed to file for work visas.

The problem is Hyundai chose their subcontractors very poorly.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by [deleted] »

pnw wrote: post #38
detaro wrote: post #26

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> Yes, they all lacked work visas. Source?

This press conference is the source of all of the articles. https://www.youtube.com/live/AD7n_nSOorU 4:30 Describes the search warrants and arrests. 5:10 "475 were illegally present in the United States" 6:25 "Majority were Korean nationals" No criminal charges yet. It's an ongoing investigation.

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Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by sungchi »

In practice, Korean staff are essential for the initial setup of Korean companies’ factories. But even though Korea has an FTA with the US, it’s not allocated short-term work visa quotas (unlike Singapore, Chile, or Australia). For various political reasons, Korean firms have instead relied on ESTA short-term visas, and the US had tacitly allowed it. This time, however, a Republican filed a complaint saying these companies weren’t hiring Americans, which left ICE with little choice but to step in.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by pnw »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #16

> He said that some of the detained workers had illegally crossed the U.S. border, while others had entered the country legally but had expired visas or had entered on a visa waiver that prohibited them from working. How many of the 300+ South Korean workers does this describe?

All of them. You can watch the entire press conference at https://www.youtube.com/live/AD7n_nSOorU

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by pavel_lishin »

pnw wrote: post #42
yongjik wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can say you're (rightfully) upset, without throwing employees of a major investor onto a jail without functioning toilets. The problem is that the US is sending deeply conflicting messages. Does it want Hyundai's investment or not? It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.

They are not Hyundai employees. Hyundai subcontracted the work out, and the subcontractors failed to file for work visas. The problem is Hyundai chose their subcontractors very poorly.

The meaning of the comment of the person you're replying to doesn't significantly change if you replace "employees of" to "contractors of". You're picking at nits.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by pavel_lishin »

mothballed wrote: post #34
pavel_lishin wrote: post #23

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Why would they risk it? I'd never return to this country again.

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Sure. But if you're just here on a work trip, why would you want to ever come back?

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by runsWphotons »

yongjik wrote: post #36
pylua wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that they are in illegally, the U.S. is the party that should be upset. If you are going to do business in the U.S. then you need to follow us laws.

You can say you're (rightfully) upset, without throwing employees of a major investor onto a jail without functioning toilets. The problem is that the US is sending deeply conflicting messages. Does it want Hyundai's investment or not? It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.

It wants Hyundai's investment and it wants to create American jobs and also have Hyundai follow the laws. The extremity of the right is fueled by an apparently prevalent reluctance to enforce any rules.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by throwawaymaths »

yongjik wrote: post #36
pylua wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that they are in illegally, the U.S. is the party that should be upset. If you are going to do business in the U.S. then you need to follow us laws.

You can say you're (rightfully) upset, without throwing employees of a major investor onto a jail without functioning toilets. The problem is that the US is sending deeply conflicting messages. Does it want Hyundai's investment or not? It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.

So companies should be able to bribe the government and skirt laws at their expedience?

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by fluoridation »

esalman wrote: post #2

The World Cup next year is going to be a shit show. My first world cup was 1994 and I watched every one of them on TV live. This would be the first time it'll happen in a city where I live (LA). This will also be the first world cup my son will watch. But I'm apprehensive of getting tickets for my family due to fear of harassment.

Good luck getting tickets either way. You're going to be competing for them with fanatics from all around the world.
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