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Re: I'm absolutely right

#41
OK, so I love this, because we all recognize it.

It's not fully just a tic of language, though. Responses that start off with "You're right!" are alignment mechanisms. The LLM, with its single-token prediction approach, follows up with a suggestion that much more closely follows the user's desires, instead of latching onto it's own previous approach.

The other tic I love is "Actually, that's not right." That happens because once agents finish their tool-calling, they'll do a self-reflection step. That generates the "here's what I did response" or, if it sees an error, the "Actually, ..." change in approach. And again, that message contains a stub of how the approach should change, which allows the subsequent tool calls to actually pull that thread instead of stubbornly sticking to its guns.

The people behind the agents are fighting with the LLM just as much as we are, I'm pretty sure!

Re: I'm absolutely right

#43
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I wonder if this is a tactic that LLM providers use to coerce the model into doing something. Gemini will often start responses that use the canvas tool with "Of course", which would force the model into going down a line of tokens that end up with attempting to fulfill the user's request. It happens often enough that it seems like it's not being generated by the model, but instead inserted by the backend. Maybe "you…

I think it's simply an engagement tactic.

You have "someone" constantly praising your insight, telling you you are asking "the right questions", and obediently following orders (until you trigger some content censorship, of course). And who wouldn't want to come back? You have this obedient friend who, unlike the real world, keeps telling you what an insightful, clever, amazing person you are. It even apologizes when it has to contradict you on something. None of my friends do!

Re: I'm absolutely right

#45
Whomever thought AI's massaging the user's ego at each exchange was a good idea ... well ... thought wrong.

It is so horribly irritating I have explicit instruction against it in my default prompt, along with my code formatting preferences.

And the "you're right" vile flattery pattern is far from the worst example.

Re: I'm absolutely right

#46
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As I opened the website, the “16” changed to “17”. This looked interesting, as if the data were being updated live just as I loaded the page. Alas, a refresh (and quick check in the Developer Tools) reveals it’s fake and always does the transition. It’s a cool effect, but feels like a dirty trick.

It's a dark pattern

I am missing a victim

Re: I'm absolutely right

#47
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm old or just wrong, but "dark pattern" for me means "intentionally misleading" which doesn't seem to be the case here, this is more of a "add liveliness so users can see it's not static data" with no intention of misleading, since it seems to be true that the data is actually dynamic.

I wouldn't go so far as to call this specific implementation a dark pattern, but it is misleading. It suggests the data updated right when I loaded the page, which obviously isn't true as I can see the same 16->17 transition on a refresh. I'd prefer a "Data last updated at " indicator somewhere. Now I know it's live data and I know how old the data is. Is it as cute / friendly / fun? Probably not. But it's definitely…

the way the website has it implemented is better

Re: I'm absolutely right

#48
you know how you shouldn't offer the answer you believe is right because the llm will always concur? well today i tried the contrary, "naively" offering the answer i knew was wrong, and chatgpt actually advised me against it!

n=1

Re: I'm absolutely right

#49
Recent conversation:

Me - This sql query you recommended will delete most of the rows in my table.

Claude - You're absolutely right! That query is incorrect and dangerous. It would delete: All rows with unique emails (since their MIN(id) is only in the subquery once)

Me - Faaakkkk!!

Re: I'm absolutely right

#50

Whomever thought AI's massaging the user's ego at each exchange was a good idea ... well ... thought wrong. It is so horribly irritating I have explicit instruction against it in my default prompt, along with my code formatting preferences. And the "you're right" vile flattery pattern is far from the worst example.

Could you share your instruction?
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