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Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by blitzar »

johtso wrote: post #35
blitzar wrote: post #32

The biggest impact I have experienced so far has been that popups for cam sites, porn sites and other such affiliate marketting referal attempts lead to an age verification page rather than directly to all the "hot singles in my area looking for sex". I don't like it, but for the most part the internet is now a better place for me to browse.

Do you not use an adblocker? I can't remember the last time I saw that kind of ad..

DNS level and in browser ad blocking. Still not enough to overcome some of the more agressive parts of the internet.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by lukan »

ckbkr10 wrote: post #8

I wish there was a honest discussion, I am with them about parents not giving a shit and pushing away responsibility. The idea of supervision in education institutions is good as well. The kids in my family were well protected and supervised, they got into contact with hardcore porn at the age of 6 when other kids had access to smartphones and exposed them to it. I would like to see a honest discussion about the impa…

Hm .. there is porn and there is porn. Of course the professional casts are fake, but there is usually for example a amateur porn category, a bit closer to reality. So if you blame porn for you being promiscious ... I would say you had the choice what kind of porn you watch. And likely rather, what kind of friends you hang around with.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by close04 »

high_na_euv wrote: post #33
jjcob wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can't tell the difference in any domain. People copy what they see. It's why James Bond stopped smoking in movies, and people smoke far less now. Mainstream porn sites show a lot of weird practices (what's up with that strangulation fetish??) and I do think it has a bad influence. I don't think age verification is a good solution, because we don't become immune to influence at age 18. Adults are just as vulner…

>. It's why James Bond stopped smoking in movies, and people smoke far less now. Lol what, what makes you think it was caused by James Bond, not countless other anti smoking initiatives?

It’s not that people stopped but that they didn’t start. Smoking was no longer sold as cool so kids didn’t learn of it as a cool thing.

Kids and even adults pick up cues from games, movies, books. War is like CoD and heroic war movies (why do many 18 year olds go to the army expecting glory and come back with trauma and broken dreams?), sex is like in porn, and gangs are like in GTA. Until they gain practical experience and slowly realize some things are vastly different. Maybe a couple will love “porn sex”. Most others will break a leg having shower sex and reconsider the “teachings”.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by prmoustache »

It is not like kids/teenager who currently visit the big porn sites like pornhub will say: "Oh I can't, let's read a book instead"

They'll just get it somewhere else, private chatrooms, torrents, etc and from probably even less regulated and more nefarious sources that also serve stuff super hardcore or completely illegal.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by happymellon »

ckbkr10 wrote: post #8

I wish there was a honest discussion, I am with them about parents not giving a shit and pushing away responsibility. The idea of supervision in education institutions is good as well. The kids in my family were well protected and supervised, they got into contact with hardcore porn at the age of 6 when other kids had access to smartphones and exposed them to it. I would like to see a honest discussion about the impa…

Why don't they do things that are within their control.

Such as mandatory site filtering options. So the same place you pay your bill, you can also set which sites you want to be blocked by an "admin" password.

Or are they afraid that people will add tracking.facebook.com to the block list?

The chances of the kids stealing the admin password are about as likely as the kids stealing your age verification password that you needed to set up to access Reddit.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by aaron695 »

nomilk wrote: post #6

The choice citizens have now is between an 'internet licence' (submit ID's to myriad sites), or an 'internet tax' (VPN). Super annoying! Given Australia doesn't even require Age Verification on porn sites (only on social media sites), the incentives hint this was strongly supported by legacy media (90% of Aussie media is owned by two companies, Newscorp and Nine Entertainment). The internet licence will make it diffi…

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Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by blitzar »

happymellon wrote: post #46
ckbkr10 wrote: post #8

I wish there was a honest discussion, I am with them about parents not giving a shit and pushing away responsibility. The idea of supervision in education institutions is good as well. The kids in my family were well protected and supervised, they got into contact with hardcore porn at the age of 6 when other kids had access to smartphones and exposed them to it. I would like to see a honest discussion about the impa…

Why don't they do things that are within their control. Such as mandatory site filtering options. So the same place you pay your bill, you can also set which sites you want to be blocked by an "admin" password. Or are they afraid that people will add tracking.facebook.com to the block list? The chances of the kids stealing the admin password are about as likely as the kids stealing your age verification password that…

Parents dont want to be the "bad guy" or parents in any real sense.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by bgarbiak »

high_na_euv wrote: post #33
jjcob wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can't tell the difference in any domain. People copy what they see. It's why James Bond stopped smoking in movies, and people smoke far less now. Mainstream porn sites show a lot of weird practices (what's up with that strangulation fetish??) and I do think it has a bad influence. I don't think age verification is a good solution, because we don't become immune to influence at age 18. Adults are just as vulner…

>. It's why James Bond stopped smoking in movies, and people smoke far less now. Lol what, what makes you think it was caused by James Bond, not countless other anti smoking initiatives?

It was cool to smoke when all the cool guys in the movies were smoking. One of the reasons it’s not cool anymore is that the cool guys in the movies don’t smoke nowadays (although they do it more often now than they did ten years ago; which is worrying).

The correlation between an exposure and initiating smoking is proved: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27043456/

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by jolmg »

jjcob wrote: post #30
jakobnissen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But kids (and adults) are exposed to all kinds of fantasies. War is not like Call of Duty. The Mafia is not like GTA. Monarchy is not like in the fairy tales. Romance is not like Twilight. BDSM is not like 50 Shades of Grey. For all these things, we rely on people's world experience and common sense to figure it out. I think it's pretty obvious that sex is not like porn, and I don't understand why so many people are…

People can't tell the difference in any domain. People copy what they see. It's why James Bond stopped smoking in movies, and people smoke far less now. Mainstream porn sites show a lot of weird practices (what's up with that strangulation fetish??) and I do think it has a bad influence. I don't think age verification is a good solution, because we don't become immune to influence at age 18. Adults are just as vulner…

> Adults are just as vulnerable to copying poor behavior as minors.

Adults can be vulnerable, but I don't think just as vulnerable. Youngsters with no initial idea of how a given thing works have nothing with which to compare and contrast and potentially reject the first idea presented to them. Generally, the younger, the more impressionable.

> Remove stigma associated with sexuality. [...] Most people probably wouldn't even go to porn sites if they could just watch something steamy on Netflix.

I do agree with loosening the stigma. If there are parents that are giving their children unrestricted access to the internet, and those children may expose things to others that have better parental controls, then the straightforward solution is to have some form of earlier sex-ed. Doesn't need to cover everything, but enough to prepare them against the bad influences they'll apparently encounter. "Something steamy on Netflix" may be a positive counterexample to help them reject nonsense fantasies on porn sites.

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