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FBI arrests US Army veteran for 'conspiracy' over protest against ICE

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Re: FBI arrests US Army veteran for 'conspiracy' over protest against ICE

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>There was large scale mass migration into the country that appeared to be facilitated by the last administration. Did you forget to specify "illegal" migration in regards to this conspiracy theory or did the mask just slip here?

You think this is an argument about paperwork?

Obviously not. I just want people to actually say what they mean for once and stop pretending it is an argument about paperwork.

Re: FBI arrests US Army veteran for 'conspiracy' over protest against ICE

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IANAL, but that cases seem very different. This appears direct (prevent the federal officer from completing their enforcement action), where the Bundy brothers appears to have been indirect (in response to a federal officers that completed their action): > In response to the imprisonment of two Harney County ranchers, who were prosecuted for arson, Ammon and Ryan led a group of activists in an occupation of the Malhe…

The thing that prompted the occupation isn't relevant. They physically occupied federal property and prevented federal officers from entering or from performing their duties. Much like in this case!

And much like the other case there is a first amendment component, and the balance of how much the government can override ones right to express one's self when doing so impedes the work of the government.

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Facts start at the third section, "‘An issue of selective prosecution’", after ~30 paragraphs of character/story/emotion building. > Mavalwalla was one of hundreds of people to respond to a 11 June social media post from the former president of the Spokane city council that encouraged protesters to block an Ice transport they believed would carry two Venezuelan immigrants who were in the country legally, petitioning…

The facts start at the beginning: - the actual US attorney for the area was pressured to resign from Republicans (Trump) - Republicans put in a guy with 0 legal experience who was previously working for a political group. Said guy also wanted the US government overthrown on January 6th as he supports the insurrectionists. This is also the guy who supports the Republican's attempt to illegally erase the 14th amendment…

> nor criminal

IANAL, but it appears to be criminal: 18 U.S.C. 111

This does not appear to be covered under "peaceful protest": https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights

Re: FBI arrests US Army veteran for 'conspiracy' over protest against ICE

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"Conspiracy to Impede or Injure Officers" seems like a pretty broad category, and should be separate things. Conspiracy to impede is one thing. That might be applied to planning to be at a protest where you may be in the way of an officer. Injuring is a very different thing. Conflating the two into a single charge seems disproportionate. This conflation seems intentional to give an excuse to just round up anyone who…

Conspiracy to impede is unconstitutional, as people in the US have the right to peacefully assemble. If cops decide to illegally break up a protest, then they can say "oh you're impending me!" and no one actually has a 1st amendment right.

Taking this to its logical conclusion you should be able to walk up the hill, push aside the cops, enter the rotunda, occupy the chambers of Congress all within your first amendment rights.

There is nuance and balance to be had in law, your rights end where others begin.

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Conspiracy to impede is unconstitutional, as people in the US have the right to peacefully assemble. If cops decide to illegally break up a protest, then they can say "oh you're impending me!" and no one actually has a 1st amendment right.

Taking this to its logical conclusion you should be able to walk up the hill, push aside the cops, enter the rotunda, occupy the chambers of Congress all within your first amendment rights. There is nuance and balance to be had in law, your rights end where others begin.

> Taking this to its logical conclusion you should be able to walk up the hill, push aside the cops, enter the rotunda, occupy the chambers of Congress all within your first amendment rights.

Isn't this exactly what the MAGA crowd has professed to believe since 1/6/2021?

Re: FBI arrests US Army veteran for 'conspiracy' over protest against ICE

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This article is confusing. I think the actual charges are this: > According to the indictment, Mavalwalla and his co-defendants “physically blocked the drive-way of the federal facility and/or physically pushed against officers despite orders to disperse and efforts to remove them from the property”. And it was recorded and posted to Instagram: > A one-minute video posted on Instagram shows the army veteran briefly j…

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> The problem is authorities just let people get away with these things for so long, especially if it was from a certain side.

Are we talking about the rich, powerful, and the politically connected side? Because they kinda get away with everything. Just look at the current administration, they clearly don't believe any laws apply to themselves. When the justice system doesn't administer justice, eventually the people take justice into their own hands, which is what we're starting to see more and more often. Hopefully justice will eventually prevail.

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Taking this to its logical conclusion you should be able to walk up the hill, push aside the cops, enter the rotunda, occupy the chambers of Congress all within your first amendment rights. There is nuance and balance to be had in law, your rights end where others begin.

> Taking this to its logical conclusion you should be able to walk up the hill, push aside the cops, enter the rotunda, occupy the chambers of Congress all within your first amendment rights. Isn't this exactly what the MAGA crowd has professed to believe since 1/6/2021?

And not just regarding the first amendment.

They were fine storming government buildings with guns in hand during covid. They considered the Bundy brothers and Kyle Rittenhouse to be heroes and patriots.

These rights are absolute and inalienable, granted by God as long as you're "white and right." Otherwise it's time to crack skulls.

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The complete lack of pushback from traditional conservatives against Trump's constant overreach and his complete disregard for basic civil liberties and the rule of law continues to shock me.

I’ve asked myself why my grandparents did not try to overthrow their Nazi regime. They were not the most immoral people on the surface, they just viewed their actions happening as the only way of survival. I think the answer lies in seeing what really happening instead of what’s portrayed as happening on their propaganda outlets. Articles like this start to transition people away from supporting fascism if they are b…

I will say that, having grown up in the 80's and 90's far removed from the fascist states of yesteryear, it was always baffling how Western nations succumbed so completely to authoritarianism.

I am not longer baffled.

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I’ve asked myself why my grandparents did not try to overthrow their Nazi regime. They were not the most immoral people on the surface, they just viewed their actions happening as the only way of survival. I think the answer lies in seeing what really happening instead of what’s portrayed as happening on their propaganda outlets. Articles like this start to transition people away from supporting fascism if they are b…

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Re: FBI arrests US Army veteran for 'conspiracy' over protest against ICE

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No, for a while after the shakeup of the US political landscape resulting from Johnson embracing the Civil Rights Act and the Republican Party exploiting disaffection of racists from the Democratic Party in a way that they had not tried to do after the similar Democratic split over integration vs segregation in the 1940s that produced the short-lived State's Rights Democratic Party, the Republican Party placed heavy…

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