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Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

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Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

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Back in COVID times, when I had all the time in the world, my Switch got bricked after I charged it using my laptop charger. Nintendo refused to honor its warranty, citing some mumbo jumbo about proprietary USB-C hardware. Fortunately, we have pretty good consumer protection laws here in Australia By the end of an entire two month saga, they sent me a brand new Switch. I always did think it was odd that a USB-C cable…

Wow that's some nonsense; if it was proprietary, they would've gone back to using their own connectors.

Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

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From lttlabs: > The inability for most docks to support the Switch 2 may not be malicious from Nintendo. It might just be a poor or lazy implementation of the USB-C specification From the verge [0], 2 months ago: > When I analyze the conversation between the Nintendo Switch 2 and its dock, I can see the two devices begin speaking in Nintendo’s own flavor of “vendor defined” language early in the conversation, before…

Seems Nintendo has good reasons not to support it with 3rd party devices: Their own dock has active cooling, so with generic dongles the switch wouldn't be able to enter the docked performance mode (or have to throttle down pretty soon) and would have to output a blurry mess to 4k screens.

Not a great user experience.

Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

#43
post #33

Back in COVID times, when I had all the time in the world, my Switch got bricked after I charged it using my laptop charger. Nintendo refused to honor its warranty, citing some mumbo jumbo about proprietary USB-C hardware. Fortunately, we have pretty good consumer protection laws here in Australia By the end of an entire two month saga, they sent me a brand new Switch. I always did think it was odd that a USB-C cable…

I've bricked a samsung phone (galaxy s10+) using the switch usb c charger so that doesn't surprise me at all

Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like that’s a significant retcon. Switch 1 was released in 2017. PD 1.0 was 2013 , and display port out was 2014. Both were supported by numerous devices by the time the switch 1 was out. Granted they really wanted hdmi alt mode which was 2016 but the switch 1 doesn’t even support display port out which could have been coupled with a converter in the dock. The simpler reason is that Nintendo both cheaps out on…

Displayport would have been fairly useless. I've never once seen a TV with Displayport inputs. They really should have had 9v PD working but at least 5v worked.

While technically true, there's no devices that do HDMI protocol over USB-C. Most USB-C adapters to HDMI have a built-in DP > HDMI converter. There was a standard for HDMI over USB, but no devices used it and it died: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/01/hdmi-to-usb-c-spec-a...

Pretty sure the Switch (1) Dock used a similar HDMI adapter. Even the PS4 had a DP > HDMI adapter internally for some reason.

Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're surprised they still exist... because they target wider audiences?

No, his point was that the lab isn't necessary for the content ltt is producing, so he expected them to stop the lab project to keep the profits higher

I’ve been out of the loop, what happened?

Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like that’s a significant retcon. Switch 1 was released in 2017. PD 1.0 was 2013 , and display port out was 2014. Both were supported by numerous devices by the time the switch 1 was out. Granted they really wanted hdmi alt mode which was 2016 but the switch 1 doesn’t even support display port out which could have been coupled with a converter in the dock. The simpler reason is that Nintendo both cheaps out on…

Displayport would have been fairly useless. I've never once seen a TV with Displayport inputs. They really should have had 9v PD working but at least 5v worked.

If you were to read the entirety of my comment, you’d see that I mention HDMI alt mode as well as the possibility of including a signal converter in the dock to get it to hdmi prior to hdmi alt mode existing.

Display port would have still allowed for a standardized format for other docks to provide conversion, or for connection to computer monitors.

Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're surprised they still exist... because they target wider audiences?

No, his point was that the lab isn't necessary for the content ltt is producing, so he expected them to stop the lab project to keep the profits higher

Linus is no longer CEO but he and Ivonne still own 100% of shares. They seem to have enough money, so can burn on projects they feel passionate about like Badminton Center or LTTLabs.

Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

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From lttlabs: > The inability for most docks to support the Switch 2 may not be malicious from Nintendo. It might just be a poor or lazy implementation of the USB-C specification From the verge [0], 2 months ago: > When I analyze the conversation between the Nintendo Switch 2 and its dock, I can see the two devices begin speaking in Nintendo’s own flavor of “vendor defined” language early in the conversation, before…

Seems Nintendo has good reasons not to support it with 3rd party devices: Their own dock has active cooling, so with generic dongles the switch wouldn't be able to enter the docked performance mode (or have to throttle down pretty soon) and would have to output a blurry mess to 4k screens. Not a great user experience.

I recall reading that the dock’s cooling is for its own internals rather than those of the switch.

Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're surprised they still exist... because they target wider audiences?

No, his point was that the lab isn't necessary for the content ltt is producing, so he expected them to stop the lab project to keep the profits higher

Other than LTT continuing with LTT Labs just because they enjoy deeper dives into tech, I'd imagine it also serves a practical purpose, in that if it's a slow tech news day, and they can't think of a video concept they want to try, they have a ready-made set of labs content they can base a video on.

Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Dock USB-C Compatibility

#50
post #33

Back in COVID times, when I had all the time in the world, my Switch got bricked after I charged it using my laptop charger. Nintendo refused to honor its warranty, citing some mumbo jumbo about proprietary USB-C hardware. Fortunately, we have pretty good consumer protection laws here in Australia By the end of an entire two month saga, they sent me a brand new Switch. I always did think it was odd that a USB-C cable…

It's not that strange. USB-C is a plug, not everyone who implements the plug also implements it correctly. Some chargers with a USB-C Plug might just send a fixed voltage over the cable, rather then implementing the protocols. I'm not saying that's the case for you, but USB-C is a minefield and I've seen some weird things happen with USB-C plugs.

Usually a competently designed USB-C input should have over-voltage protection and short-to-VBUS protection for over 20V (25-28V). Putting out any voltage before detecting a sink is breaking the standard, but a charger putting out over 20V without any PD negotiation would be absurdly wrong and dangerous...

So there are non-compliant plugs, but if your device breaks just because it sees a regular PD VBUS voltage (5-20V) then it means that it was designed badly - either through ineptitude or foolish cost saving.

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