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I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by IAmBroom »

AstralStorm wrote: post #13
nabla9 wrote: post #8

He mentions Finland and Lapua movement as an example and it's correct, but there are others. United Sates: There was Ku Klux Klan (KKK) in the south. In the 1930s fascism became very popular in the US. 25% of Americans listened regularly fascist radio program from father Charles Coughlin. "It is fascism or communism. We are at the crossroads. I take the road to fascism.” Large number of "shirts" organizations (fascis…

That only did not happen because the US national pride was wounded by the Japanese.

Technicality. It still did not happen.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by IAmBroom »

More accurate title:

"I researched every attempt to stop fascism by democratic means. The success rate is 0%"

Also see:

"I tried to talk the neighborhood bully out of punching me in the face. The success rate is 0%"

I get that it poses an alarming precedent for our future in the US, but we haven't fully failed yet. Teetering, maybe. And if we fail, no election is going to save us, nor save the world from us.

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Post by sfpotter »

xtiansimon wrote: post #38
foogazi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascism is the fascists fault Assigning the blame to the “other” side seems like a cop out.

> “…side seems like a cop out.” I’d rather describe blaming “the Democrats“ as adopting the framing of this administration. They blame all “Democrats”, name a wide range of strawmen using the former president’s name like an adjective. It’s quite destructive running around screaming rape, murder, fire. The president is willing to do it, the current congressional majority is all in, and the Supreme Court is YOLO. All b…

I'm not adopting the current administration's framing.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by peterleiser »

_mlbt wrote: post #30
peterleiser wrote: post #23

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Southern California is vulnerable to that, but not Northern California. California is the largest food producer to the US, including about 1/3 of our fresh vegetables and 3/4 of fruits and nuts. The country wouldn't starve without California, but I sure wouldn't want to experience a situation where California stops exporting to red states.

The agricultural parts of California are largely red. In this hypothetical scenario, why wouldn't they pull a West Virginia and secede from Southern California to be with their ideological brethren? If you look at an electoral map by county of the United States, you'll see that the major cities are blue and almost everything else is red. The everything else is the part of America that produces food and manufactured g…

Yes, just a thought experiment. I grew up on a farm in Northern California (mostly rice and tomatoes), lived in the bay area for 20 years for college and working in tech, and now live in a red state. I tell people the same thing you do about blue cities and red everything else. It's bizarre how many people in red states and blue states don't know that (and don't want to believe it).

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by peterleiser »

_mlbt wrote: post #29
tmarman wrote: post #27

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California represents ~15% of GDP and 11% of the agricultural output including 33% of vegetables and 75% of fruits and nuts. Just saying.

> 11% of the agricultural output including 33% of vegetables and 75% of fruits and nuts. Just saying. That's the RED part of California. Just saying.

Definitely red. But I think in northern and central california the whole blue city / red outside cities thing is kind of like the European Coal and Steel Community. So much shared infrastructure and interdependence, and water and electricity is not evenly distributed.

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Post by peterleiser »

IAmBroom wrote: post #40
AstralStorm wrote: post #18

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Good try, the state is rich and borders the ocean. They can afford water facilities.

Seawater isn't useful for agriculture, nor drinking.

California Democrats would need to choose pragmatism over party and rapidly deploy nuclear power for desalination.

But states playing no-rules hardball with each other would end up being a gigantic fail for everyone.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by jfengel »

smitty1e wrote: post #32
tkel wrote: post #19

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And Thomas Jefferson had children with his slave.

And then there was a bloody civil war to eliminate chattel slavery. These days we have more sophisticated control mechanisms involving government regulations.

Do we? We seem to be busily dismantling that, along with the apparatus of enforcing it.
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