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Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by johanvts »

4ggr0 wrote: post #31
ahartmetz wrote: post #18

Install "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise 2021 LTSC" if you don't mind buying grey market keys. Less crapware, more mature and less enshittified than 11, and security fixes until 2032. I don't want to endorse Windows at all (use Linux if you can!). But maybe you need it to occasionally test something or whatever.

Even though I professionally work with Linux I still don't trust it enough for gaming. I know that Steam does great things with Proton, my issue is that I'm not the type of gamer who constantly plays the same game - Play a game for how long the story or my interests lasts, then switch to the next game. And after a whole day of debugging and hair pulling at work I just don't feel like then also debugging why a game is…

Did you try bazzite OS, the only issue I have had was to select the proton build of CS, everything else works out of the box. Except for games that need anti-cheat… So I still ended up with a windows partition.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by majkinetor »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #36
majkinetor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I used various Linux distros for years and the update problems happen there all the time, I think even more TBH, and require substantial technical expertise to fix them. IMO, the only good way is "if it works, don't fix it", which means, no updates. People are seriously overhyping updates. I stopped updating all the stuff - OSes, smart locks, android apps, TVs, BP monitors - I honestly had multiple update proble…

Agreed. Continuous updates are unnecessary if you have sane restrictions on your system, i.e. strict firewall, limit software being installed. Probably the only exception to that is the web browser itself, but even that can be mitigated to an extent by running with an ad blocker and javascript off by default.

Not only are they unnecessary, they are often best to be avoided. I recently had to reinstall Windows OS after I updated firewall software as after that VPN stopped working and some serious IT pros were not able to fix it (even with different clients tried). After we lost a couple of days, I reinstalled OS.

This ofc. happened at worst possible time.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by majkinetor »

ekianjo wrote: post #40
majkinetor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I used various Linux distros for years and the update problems happen there all the time, I think even more TBH, and require substantial technical expertise to fix them. IMO, the only good way is "if it works, don't fix it", which means, no updates. People are seriously overhyping updates. I stopped updating all the stuff - OSes, smart locks, android apps, TVs, BP monitors - I honestly had multiple update proble…

Funny whenever people mention using Linux instead of windows there is always a user who claims Linux is broken, hard to use, while most Linux users live a peaceful and uneventful life.

I love and use Linux, what do you mean? Maybe a little bit too defensive that your favorite OS is not perfect?

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by dark-star »

Sesse__ wrote: post #30
dale_glass wrote: post #4

But what's actually happening? There seems to be a lack of technical information. And why does the SSD allow this to happen? A SSD has its own onboard computer, it's not just allowing the OS to do whatever it wants. Obviously the OS can write way too much and reach the endurance limit but that should have been figured out almost instantly, with OS write stats and SMART stats.

> And why does the SSD allow this to happen? A SSD has its own onboard computer, it's not just allowing the OS to do whatever it wants. If the device is DRAM-less, much of its central information (large parts of the FTL, in particular) resides in the host's RAM, where the OS could presumably touch it. If that area of RAM is _somehow_ being overwritten or out-of-sync or otherwise unreliable, you can get pretty bad cor…

no, the FTL is still in the SSD unless it's a host-managed SSD which is also operating in host-managed mode, which none of the articles have mentioned to be related to the issue

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by dijit »

jamesnorden wrote: post #32
majkinetor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I used various Linux distros for years and the update problems happen there all the time, I think even more TBH, and require substantial technical expertise to fix them. IMO, the only good way is "if it works, don't fix it", which means, no updates. People are seriously overhyping updates. I stopped updating all the stuff - OSes, smart locks, android apps, TVs, BP monitors - I honestly had multiple update proble…

I've also been using Linux for years (Arch, btw) and never had an update break my install or cause issues, I've only had to fix the Linux bootloader when Windows overwrote it after a major update, multiple times...

I've had plenty of issues with Arch updates.

In fact; I have a laptop right now that hasn't received updates because there's a shared object that has been removed that `yay` depends on.

(this was from a long time ago).

I generally think that updates of the mainstream distro's like Debian will definitely *NOT* brick your system in almost any circumstance, and arch tends to be somewhat solid, but every once in a while something dire happens with arch which would make me not agree with the fact that updates are always seamless.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by asimovfan »

majkinetor wrote: post #43
ekianjo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny whenever people mention using Linux instead of windows there is always a user who claims Linux is broken, hard to use, while most Linux users live a peaceful and uneventful life.

I love and use Linux, what do you mean? Maybe a little bit too defensive that your favorite OS is not perfect?

well if it is GNU(+linux) there are alternative mechanisms of action other than waiting for a corporation to act in your benefit. i think that is a giant difference.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by dijit »

majkinetor wrote: post #43
ekianjo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny whenever people mention using Linux instead of windows there is always a user who claims Linux is broken, hard to use, while most Linux users live a peaceful and uneventful life.

I love and use Linux, what do you mean? Maybe a little bit too defensive that your favorite OS is not perfect?

I think the issue is that we excuse worse behaviour of Windows because of a preconceived notion that "Windows is easy and linux is hard".

The amount of registry hacks and debloat scripts and messed up updates I've had to endure on Windows makes my Linux experience seem very breezy by comparison to be perfectly honest with you.

The main issue I have with my own reasoning here is that about 20 years ago when I was getting into Linux: it was hard; and thus I learned a lot. Something that is a literal 2 second fix for me might take someone else 2 days or not be solvable. I can't really understand how hard others have it.

But: my mum ran Linux mint for the last 8 years without issue. So maybe it really is a skill issue. This woman is not tech literate like I am. So, there's that.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by Mashimo »

ekianjo wrote: post #40
majkinetor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I used various Linux distros for years and the update problems happen there all the time, I think even more TBH, and require substantial technical expertise to fix them. IMO, the only good way is "if it works, don't fix it", which means, no updates. People are seriously overhyping updates. I stopped updating all the stuff - OSes, smart locks, android apps, TVs, BP monitors - I honestly had multiple update proble…

Funny whenever people mention using Linux instead of windows there is always a user who claims Linux is broken, hard to use, while most Linux users live a peaceful and uneventful life.

> Linux users live a peaceful and uneventful life.

So do most Windows users.

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