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Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Re: Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Post by n4r9 »

roenxi wrote: post #20
n4r9 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, there are going to be differing interpreations of "common hazards of life" and "adequate provision". But it certainly sounds like he's advocating state-funded healthcare for e.g. cancer, which is very different to what many modern libertarians believe.

Maybe; he is advocating for a safety net. But I note he didn't say that either and, being an economist, he would probably have had the standard reservations - what exactly is the upper limit of care being provided to someone for "cancer"? It is very vague. If people still sometimes die of cancer when spending $X there is always room to spend $X+1 until the money runs out. No entity in existence can cover that sort of…

> what exactly is the upper limit of care being provided to someone for "cancer"? It is very vague.

It is light on detail but that feels tangential to me? Much like private insurance schemes, state healthcare systems necessarily have a limit on care/expense.

> He clearly isn't advocating for what would be called universal state-funded healthcare in the modern context ... He appears to be talking about ... certain rare events

He uses terms like "common hazards of life", "the case of sickness", and "comprehensive social insurance". I find it hard to believe this doesn't include assistance for the most common health issues like arthritis, diabetes, cancer, and so on.

Re: Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Post by jurking_hoff »

msgodel wrote: post #28
freen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to have effectively indentured servitude if there’s a social safety net. Remember even Hayek advocated for universal, government funded healthcare! Ayn Rand was on social security!

You know last time I was laid off, and this time too actually, I haven't figured out where these social safety nets are. I could have really used it last time too, that was a significant struggle. I don't think it's actually intended to be helpful and probably needs to go away.

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Re: Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Post by llomax »

roenxi wrote: post #14
richrichardsson wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rand's taking social security doesn't sound like any sort of contradiction with her views or an extreme anti-welfare position. Just because a policy is a terrible idea doesn't mean people shouldn't take advantage of it while it is in force. Assuming that integrity and hypocrisy don't play any part in judging a person.

I don't recall the details of Ayn's moral arguments because they aren't of great interest to me, but there just isn't a fundamental inconsistency between campaigning against welfare and accepting welfare. There isn't any hypocrisy in pointing out that something creates horrible incentives, then doing what the incentives suggest. If anything it is a great show of consistency in belief. The alternative position would b…

You have literally, repeatedly demonstrated you don’t understand what principles or integrity mean. Your “crazy” position is literally it. You are simply greedy: well if everyone else is doing it so should I. That is panic mode caused by a real trauma from scarcity. Or naivety. Or cringe apathy. Or mild sociopathy.

Re: Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Post by b3ing »

msgodel wrote: post #28
freen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to have effectively indentured servitude if there’s a social safety net. Remember even Hayek advocated for universal, government funded healthcare! Ayn Rand was on social security!

You know last time I was laid off, and this time too actually, I haven't figured out where these social safety nets are. I could have really used it last time too, that was a significant struggle. I don't think it's actually intended to be helpful and probably needs to go away.

Because they won't fund it properly, thats the plan, underfund things or reduce funding to make them break, then people will say to get rid of it entirely.

Re: Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Post by msgodel »

b3ing wrote: post #44
msgodel wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know last time I was laid off, and this time too actually, I haven't figured out where these social safety nets are. I could have really used it last time too, that was a significant struggle. I don't think it's actually intended to be helpful and probably needs to go away.

Because they won't fund it properly, thats the plan, underfund things or reduce funding to make them break, then people will say to get rid of it entirely.

When something pretty clearly isn't working I don't think the answer is more of it.

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Post by seanicus »

jennyholzer wrote: post #40
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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i understand that he did the nazi salute, but it seems disingenuous and unnecessarily provocative to call elon musk a nazi musk is a kleptocrat/plutocrat who did the nazi salute for the purposes of generating controversy. it seems obvious to me that he's more interested in securing the success of his ventures than anything resembling 20th century fascism.

If one wants to be called a nazi, one should not be surprised by their results.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Re: Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Post by seanicus »

billy99k wrote: post #33

It'd hard to believe anything NPR reports about the current administration because they defunded them.

Same admin that opposes any real reporting on what they're doing except for entities that report glowingly on them. Trump Admin has loudly clashed with any and all legit journalistic entities (bad news: Newsnation and Zero Hedge are conservative hacks) so no reporting can be believed except ones approved by the state/Trump admin.

Re: Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Post by UncleMeat »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #39
UncleMeat wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We really do need a third founding, the failure here is so dramatic. We've had congress and the court acquiesce to near unlimited lawlessness from the president as he takes direct and total command of the government apparatus. We have a president saying "I have the right to do anything I want. I'm the president." We have a president saying that that he even has the right to force state governments to do what he wants…

What if the ones who are currently in control all of branches of government, that are transforming the US into a totalitarian state, don't want any restructuring that would limit such a transformation? What then?

I don't know. The core hope is that the dems can re-establish control and use that power to restructure the government to prevent totalitarianism.

If they cannot re-establish control or choose to do nothing meaningful with temporary power such that we repeat this again in 2032, then the country either completes its collapse into totalitarianism for a generation (or more) or there is a violent uprising alongside mass death. I pray that we escape this without either of those things happening, but I'm also making plans to be able to permanently leave the country if need be.

Re: Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Post by jfengel »

billy99k wrote: post #33

It'd hard to believe anything NPR reports about the current administration because they defunded them.

That seems to be a self-fulfilling strategy: punish your enemies, and then they can no longer be trusted when they say negative things about you.

Re: Whistleblower says DOGE officials copied Social Security numbers

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Post by billy99k »

jfengel wrote: post #49
billy99k wrote: post #33

It'd hard to believe anything NPR reports about the current administration because they defunded them.

That seems to be a self-fulfilling strategy: punish your enemies, and then they can no longer be trusted when they say negative things about you.

"punish your enemies, and then they can no longer be trusted when they say negative things about you."

This was done to the Republicans for 4 years. I suppose he's just using the same strategy?

NPR wouldn't report on things that would actually hurt the Biden administration, like the laptop, so why should I believe them now? I haven't trusted them for years...the fact that my tax dollars aren't paying for it anymore is only a bonus.

This is why they can't be trusted: Non-biased reporting will report bad things about a politician they support, even if it helps the person they don't support.

In addition to this, the actual article is a nothingburger. They moved secure information from one non-Internet connected server to another. If this is the standard for security reporting, the violations found during the 2020 election should have been front-page news for weeks...but they were strangely silent..............

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