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Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by pessimizer »

shkkmo wrote: post #17
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #8

Have there been any reviews by independent experts? This reads like a promo piece, in particular I'm not sure why the fluff bits about Musk "being a regular guy" are relevant. Most of the linked sources are either other Fortune puff pieces or Neuralink press releases.

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> What kind of reprobate thinks it is OK to swat a disabled person? Do you understand the kinds of active harm that your partisanship causes?

What are you talking about? Are you pretending to be upset at a mild question, on the behalf of the disabled? You should explain the active harm this causes, because your partisan celebrity worship is causing you to look goofy in front of strangers.

edit: I am very excited about brain-computer interfaces.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by pear01 »

zdragnar wrote: post #24
micromacrofoot wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so are people who claim placebos and homeopathy improved their conditions, we are not reliable on an individual level

No placebo can let him "do things like play Mario Kart, control his television, and turn his Dyson air purifier on and off without physically moving his fingers or any other part of his body." Given that there are objective changes, it is not unreasonable to believe his claim that he is satisfied or has benefitted from them.

if it is truly "objective" then his subjective experience is irrelevant, so your logic makes no sense. it is not necessarily incorrect to investigate or be skeptical about another's self reported "subjective" claims (never mind their "objective" ones), for the reasons the comment you were dismissive of mentioned. plus given the nature of the company one would hardly be surprised if certain facts are cherry-picked over others. if it's truly as cut and dry as you believe, then surely any independent expert will soon end up empty handed. being dismissive of such an endeavor before it has even begun feels like kool-aid sippin...

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by ActorNightly »

SilverElfin wrote: post #15

Neuralink is amazing technology and watching videos of participants who have completely different abilities and freedom with Neuralink implants is mind blowing. It’s sad that many want to dismiss these amazing achievements just because it’s an Elon Musk founded company. At some point you simply have to acknowledge his success (and his team’s), and hope they get further with all of this. For those interested in their…

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by picafrost »

I think anyone who chooses to undergo the first few trials of a new operation like this, and is informed about the risks, is very brave. I do not know much of anything about medical science, but my impression is that we are still very, very far from having a deep grasp of how both the brain and the immune system work. Ultimately, to the body an implant is simply a foreign object.

Many tech professionals work on projects that effect people's lives in very serious ways. But a lot of folk seem to feel a bit of meaninglessness in this career and the threshold of making a mistake isn't very high. If it's an off day, sloppy work yesterday can be fixed with another PR.

Building something that is meant to attach to someone's brain would be quite the burden to carry.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by apical_dendrite »

SilverElfin wrote: post #15

Neuralink is amazing technology and watching videos of participants who have completely different abilities and freedom with Neuralink implants is mind blowing. It’s sad that many want to dismiss these amazing achievements just because it’s an Elon Musk founded company. At some point you simply have to acknowledge his success (and his team’s), and hope they get further with all of this. For those interested in their…

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by bobsomers »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #8

Have there been any reviews by independent experts? This reads like a promo piece, in particular I'm not sure why the fluff bits about Musk "being a regular guy" are relevant. Most of the linked sources are either other Fortune puff pieces or Neuralink press releases.

> in particular I'm not sure why the fluff bits about Musk "being a regular guy" are relevant

They're relevant because this was almost certainly written by a PR firm being paid by Musk to resuscitate his 32% approval rating.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by shkkmo »

pessimizer wrote: post #41
shkkmo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> What kind of reprobate thinks it is OK to swat a disabled person? Do you understand the kinds of active harm that your partisanship causes? What are you talking about? Are you pretending to be upset at a mild question, on the behalf of the disabled? You should explain the active harm this causes, because your partisan celebrity worship is causing you to look goofy in front of strangers. edit: I am very excited abou…

> You should explain the active harm this causes, because your partisan celebrity worship is causing you to look goofy in front of strangers.

I explained the active harm in the very sentence you quoted.

>> he told me that a SWAT team showed up with AR-15s after someone gave a false tip to the local sheriff’s office that Arbaugh was in danger.

I'm not a big fan of Musk for a number of different reasons. I'm even less a fan of the cult of hatred that pops up whenever his name is mentioned.

I'd rather look like a goof (nothing wrong with being goofy or weird sometimes) than help spread hatred.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by apical_dendrite »

drdaeman wrote: post #31
mritterhoff wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm not sure whenever it's a good idea to cheer for lack of life-changing technical progress just because it's ran by a company governed by an ethically problematic person. The person is temporary, the progress is permanent.

The damage that can be done by an unethical person is not always temporary.
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