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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#41
I wouldn't be so sure it's an ideological stand.

4chan got hacked a while back because they were running a totally outdated software stack. It's been pretty much abandoned by its owner hiromoot.

If they aren't going to update the site for basic maintainance, they definitely aren't going to implement all this chat control/ age verification bullcrap.

I suppose a resistance to change is good when your competitors are burying their own graves.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#42
This is similar to how Wikipedia reacts to Internet Watch Foundation (a UK CSAM Watchdog) when it decided to block the page "Virgin Killer" (a 1976 album by German band Scorpions) and the album cover image page. FBI found no issue with it, but the UK did. The result means ISP using the IWF blocklist are getting their traffic routed to proxy server, and Wikipedia usually blocks open proxies. Eventually, news outlet reproduced the artwork in question, rendering the block moot, and IWF rescinded the block a few days later [1]

I wonder if 4chan will simply decide to ban visitors from UK from visiting based on regulatory compliance. Sometimes when I accidentally clicked on a streaming sites that were not available in my country, their error page will be simply "This content isn't available in your country", but the URL contains GDPR, even though the site is not EU-based at all, and that I'm not visiting it from EU country either.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Watch_Foundation_and_...

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#43
post #8

>If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access. Well again I guess the UK never heard of VPNs, but they are trying to ban them still, it is like these pols have no clue how the internet works. They never learn these actions are like playing wack-a-mole.

What about Onion networks?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#44
post #8

>If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access. Well again I guess the UK never heard of VPNs, but they are trying to ban them still, it is like these pols have no clue how the internet works. They never learn these actions are like playing wack-a-mole.

VPNs are next: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn438z3ejxyo

I’m curious about what the plan is to differentiate between legitimate business use and personal use of any kind. Age verification obviously won’t work for self-hosted, so does age verification then get pushed to VPS providers? And at that point, so what? I’m already paying with legitimate bank details for legitimate personal use.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does step 5 work? Switching DNS servers is trivial.

For you - not for 99% of the public.

Ehh, if a youth of digital piracy has taught me anything, it's that people will develop the necessary computer literacy to get the entertainment they want. Even if they've completely failed to develop that same skill in the pursuit of self improvement.

I feel that says something about human psychology. Probably something very unpleasant.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#47
post #8

>If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access. Well again I guess the UK never heard of VPNs, but they are trying to ban them still, it is like these pols have no clue how the internet works. They never learn these actions are like playing wack-a-mole.

What about Onion networks?

They need bridges.

I think the question we should be asking is "What about SSHing into a VPS?" and "What about seedboxes".

You can disguise a VPS as any server outside of your country, it could serve up an HTTPS page and no one snooping the connection would be any wiser.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does step 5 work? Switching DNS servers is trivial.

For you - not for 99% of the public.

https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls

The iOS instructions are the most onerous (IMO) but still easy enough to follow. It's 15 minutes of fumbling around for the non-technical person, then they're protected.

(Though, as others have pointed out, this is probably moot. The blocking is more effectively done by ISPs.)

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VPNs are next: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn438z3ejxyo

I’m curious about what the plan is to differentiate between legitimate business use and personal use of any kind. Age verification obviously won’t work for self-hosted, so does age verification then get pushed to VPS providers? And at that point, so what? I’m already paying with legitimate bank details for legitimate personal use.

A VPN license of course! Just need a corporation number, a list of registered employees, and mandatory logging to get one! /s

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#50

Ofcom's only card now is to have UK ISPs block 4chan. When that happens will Starlink comply? maybe. what if they block X? could get messy fast.

Not the only card according to the article

>"Ofcom can instead ask a court to order other services to disrupt a provider's UK business, such as requiring a service's removal from search results or blocking of UK payments.

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