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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#41
The problem I see is the VC involvement...

VCs operate from the goal of xtreme high user market share as the problem..

As frameworks get better, the audience using the IDE changes...

Both are misaligned before even meeting and it will get worse once VC money control is added.

My bias, I am a flutter framework user and MS VSCode user.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#42
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone not clicking through the link: it's from 5 months ago, predicting 90% of today's code will be from LLMs. > I think we will be there in three to six months, where AI is writing 90% of the code. They're going to keep saying it because it's a juicy sound bite and they're sales people . That doesn't make it any more true than "9 out of 10 dentists recommend our socks" or how we surely have all had flying cars…

By sheer volume, that 90% number might be right.

I agree. The level of dilution is becoming obvious and a big problem... code is becoming predominantly disposable

Despite the article being salesmanship hype ( at WEF no less ) we are now in the time mentioned, and can feel this

The idea that the code is GOOD or even being used is not necessary to be saying that it exists, strewn everywhere

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#43
post #20

I love the spirit of Zed. From the principles to the low-level implementation details, it all screams "good taste". It's immensely interesting as an object of study (the code is great, from GPUI all the way up). Having said that, I don't think an editor should be VC backed. It's the obvious pragmatic choice to get a team together to support a thing, but I'm concerned by it.

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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#44
Have they fixed the big/feature where it insists on downloading entire distributions of Node.js for running it's language server functionality?

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note to Zed: I prefer paid products to enshittened ones. Please please please, get paid rather than holding on too tightly to making things free forcing future enshittening.

We're working on it! :) You can pay for Zed today if you'd like - https://zed.dev/pricing - and also the editor itself is open-source under the GPLv3 license. So if at any point in the future Zed changes direction in a way you don't like, you are perpetually free to build the version you liked from source (or make a community fork and take it in a different direction).

This will sound a bit odd, but I don't necessarily want to pay in a way that makes it look like I'm paying for the AI rather than the editor.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#47
post #27

> we've been building the world's fastest IDE Any data to backup this?

You can try it out. I would say it’s aiming to be a more modern Sublime Text, which is a win to be considered in the same category imo.

This is accurate. I came over from Sublime Text because it had become laggy over >5 running instances, and native LLM integration. Even VS Code doesn't actually have that... where everything is an extension versus seamlessly/perfectly fitting

As mentioned in other comments, it actually outperforms window management in general in many/most cases. Radically flexible and almost never gets in the way

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#48
post #27

> we've been building the world's fastest IDE Any data to backup this?

Well, last year, Nikita Tonsky measured it and it did worse than Sublime: https://mastodon.online/@nikitonsky/112146684329230663

It's funny how often people buy into the marketing and say "blazing fast" without actually questioning it. FWIW, I still prefer Zed because its LSP integration and vim mode are better than Sublime's.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#49
post #44

Have they fixed the big/feature where it insists on downloading entire distributions of Node.js for running it's language server functionality?

This is basically my main gripe with Zed atm — it's very keen to autodownload and execute binaries.

I have a light fork that tries to nullify this, but I don't think I've managed to catch all the instances.

Other than that, it's a very nice editor in my opinion.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, this announcement makes it less likely I will try Zed I don't want chat with coworkers in my IDE, nor do I feel the pains they describe with conversations spread between tools. It's not a top 5 problem

For the record: I have never used the collaboration aspects of Zed What I also have not used is vim emulation, though I have a vim background As mentioned elsewhere, Zed is still very configuration-dependent to get the full power of it, and a lot of its functionality is never discovered for that reason What pushed me to try it was Ollama integration which is not an afterthought, then I realized I loved it _way_ more…

I do all those same things in VS Code, especially the vim bindings, wouldn't give those up, but did recently leave the vim ecosystem because I had to spend too much time making the IDE work or enable features that are out-of-the-box in a code-oss based IDE
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