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Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by elteto »

harshitaneja wrote: post #12

I have been on an M1 macbook pro since launch and while I love the hardware, easily my favourite device I have ever owned but MacOS has just always been the thing to be the faustian bargain coming from being a linux person. I spend a lot of time SSHed into more GPU capable linux machines for most of my work and thus get an escape but after driving a friend's linux machine I started looking for a way to daily drive a…

x86 Thinkpads + Fedora work great. Hardware support out the box is almost perfect (I would say perfect because I don’t recall anything not working, but I may be missing something). In fact, Thinkpads used to have Fedora as an OS option, which is why I think the support is so good.

Outside that maybe something like system 76. They advertise 14h for one of their models.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by AstroBen »

runjake wrote: post #30
AstroBen wrote: post #22

Omarchy never made much sense to me. The biggest benefit of Arch is that it's hackable and you can set it up exactly as you want it.. so why skip the entire process that teaches you how to do that?

Because some of us want that minimalism and a good “power user” default setup to tweak from there. I spent all of the 90s learning Linux deeply and custom tweaking everything and trying everything posted to freshmeat.net. I bootstrapped my own Linux from scratch before LFS was a thing. Now I just want to get work down on an OS that feels like it belongs to power users and closely matches my deployment targets. This i…

In that case it for sure makes sense, but for the user like the writer who is new to linux?

I'm very happy I went through the pain of setting everything up from scratch. It taught me how it all works. I just don't see how I'd get that same knowledge ever with Omarchy

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by notpushkin »

Eldandan wrote: post #42
notpushkin wrote: post #39

I’m waiting for the second hand Arm ThinkPads to drop. Fingers crossed.

Second hand as in used from this generation? Or second generation? I can't wait for windows on arm to finally fully get there.

Used ones, yeah. Companies used to sell off entire fleets when they upgrade, sometimes pretty cheap. I’ve bought a perfectly usable T420 for something like $50 about 10 years ago. (Naturally, it was 4 years old at that point, but still.)

Also curious about Windows on Arm, but my plan is to run Linux mainly (which hopefully gets better support at that point!)

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by throwawee »

boppo1 wrote: post #36
throwawee wrote: post #33

For over a decade I never heard anything good about Arch. The most common pitch was something like "it's fun to fix when it breaks", so I was completely blindsided when Valve based SteamOS off it. What did they see in it? I was due for a new SSD, so I decided I'd run it for a week or two. The moment it started being a nuisance, I'd wipe the drive. That was years ago and I'm still on it.

What do you like better than debian?

Don't know if you responded to the right person since I didn't mention Debian, but I did try it and the other major distributions a long time ago. Honestly, distros mostly felt the same to me apart from their repositories. Debian soured me by keeping its repo perpetually out of date. It's nice to never get burned by an improperly tested package, but never having the latest features and non-security fixes is less nice.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by runjake »

AstroBen wrote: post #43
runjake wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because some of us want that minimalism and a good “power user” default setup to tweak from there. I spent all of the 90s learning Linux deeply and custom tweaking everything and trying everything posted to freshmeat.net. I bootstrapped my own Linux from scratch before LFS was a thing. Now I just want to get work down on an OS that feels like it belongs to power users and closely matches my deployment targets. This i…

In that case it for sure makes sense, but for the user like the writer who is new to linux? I'm very happy I went through the pain of setting everything up from scratch. It taught me how it all works. I just don't see how I'd get that same knowledge ever with Omarchy

It's just my experience, but it seems like nearly all younger people (I can from a time when sysadmins were expected to know C and kernel and TCP/IP internals, but that world is no more. Blame it on education, blame it on the pace of technology, I don't know.

I'm not sure how I feel about that, especially thinking about when all the people who know and can build low-level stuff retire and die off. Maybe AI will save them. Who knows?

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by margalabargala »

boppo1 wrote: post #36
throwawee wrote: post #33

For over a decade I never heard anything good about Arch. The most common pitch was something like "it's fun to fix when it breaks", so I was completely blindsided when Valve based SteamOS off it. What did they see in it? I was due for a new SSD, so I decided I'd run it for a week or two. The moment it started being a nuisance, I'd wipe the drive. That was years ago and I'm still on it.

What do you like better than debian?

I run multiple arch systems and multiple Debian systems in my house.

Debian is great if what you want to do, is something that has been easy for 5 years. You set it up and forget it.

Debian breaks down whenever you try to do something new that requires some new dependency. Oh you want to run a Go program written in 2023? Now you have to download and install the new version yourself because the latest version in apt is 1.19. On arch stuff like that is generally not a problem. It's the best supported distro after the Debian based ones.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by mappu »

margalabargala wrote: post #48
boppo1 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you like better than debian?

I run multiple arch systems and multiple Debian systems in my house. Debian is great if what you want to do, is something that has been easy for 5 years. You set it up and forget it. Debian breaks down whenever you try to do something new that requires some new dependency. Oh you want to run a Go program written in 2023? Now you have to download and install the new version yourself because the latest version in apt i…

Trixie now has go1.24 - including the upstream default GOTOOLCHAIN value to automatically download new compiler versions straight from go.dev if the go.mod wants them.

I was a bit surprised this is not a Debian Policy violation (and any Debian patches for security support may no longer apply), but at least the user experience will "just work". Cross-reference https://bugs.debian.org/1040507 .

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by benreesman »

harshitaneja wrote: post #12

I have been on an M1 macbook pro since launch and while I love the hardware, easily my favourite device I have ever owned but MacOS has just always been the thing to be the faustian bargain coming from being a linux person. I spend a lot of time SSHed into more GPU capable linux machines for most of my work and thus get an escape but after driving a friend's linux machine I started looking for a way to daily drive a…

ASUD ProArt P16. I never want another machine. Slender, stiff, machined out of something expensive feeling. Everything works on 6.16, 4k OLED display, wonderful keyboard. Solid RDNA unit, NVIDIA card alongside.

With a clean hyprland setup, light as a feather, battery lasts forever unless you run it hard.

Makes M4 Macs feel bloated and cheap.

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