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Re: BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

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Saying that about a country is not illegal.

It's not being said about a country. It's being said about specific people - the settlers that the BBC witnessed attacking a Palestinian farm.

Neither is it illegal to state that a specific attack by settlers is pure evil nor is it impossible to critizise what goes on in Israel in Germany as you allude in your other comments.

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Because HackerNews is News for Hackers and not the latest update in a 4000 year old squabble.

I politely disagree with almost every combination of the words you just used :). 1. hackers could be interested in news other than tech, that’s the very identity of hacking: understanding things in this case, the world politics and conflicts. 2. even then, there are _always_ non-tech entries on HackerNews, de facto. 3. it’s not 4000 old issue (misleading oversimplification). In essence, it’s a century-old colonial pr…

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I’m absolutely baffled by Germans at this point. I’ve been taking to many Germans in the beginning of the genocide and the major feedback I got was « given what we did to the Jews… we can’t criticize Israel ». Now almost two years after, countless of massive crimes and violated international laws later, I really can’t fathom how people are not outside shouting to their government to stop supporting this evil state (w…

If you run outside your apartment in Germany and shout to the German government you will be arrested and you will not be treated kindly. They come down very very harshly on critics of Israel. Entire institutions have been destroyed (as in removal of 100% of funding, bank account closed, raided by police, electricity disconnected (during the police raid), building forcibly sold to real estate developers, etc) for stuf…

This is complete and utter bullshit. Basically every single word is a lie.

Every day, there are rallies in Germany by the so-called "pro-Palestinian" groups. Every single one is allowed by the local administration. They are even protected by the police. The only reason for intervention by the state force is an illegal action - e.g. violence against other people, insults, calls for the capital crimes, racism or the like.

There are very high legal thresholds for disbanding or forbidding of organisations in Germany, so the reasons need to be incredibly severe, like preparation or calls to violence against other people (primarily German citizens), instigation of racial hatred, propaganda against the German state or the democratic principles, etc.

Not a single person was ever detained in Germany for being a Palestinian.

Punishment for torrenting movies was basically enforced by the copyright holders, usually leading to fines in the dimension of 100-200 euros, something that even jobless people can afford.

And the public hotspots were absolutely not illegal, there was just a lot of uncertainty about the legal implications of the crimes that may be committed by the people using the free access points. This is why Germany had no free wifi for so long - it was not forbidden, it was just not regulated and providers were afraid of being sued.

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I politely disagree with almost every combination of the words you just used :). 1. hackers could be interested in news other than tech, that’s the very identity of hacking: understanding things in this case, the world politics and conflicts. 2. even then, there are _always_ non-tech entries on HackerNews, de facto. 3. it’s not 4000 old issue (misleading oversimplification). In essence, it’s a century-old colonial pr…

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Thanks for the lies, Mr Hasbara. You made a mistake though, the US would still exist as the last piece of colonialism. Now that you know that, I assume you will fully support the removal of all non indigenous people from North America.

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Thanks for the lies, Mr Hasbara. You made a mistake though, the US would still exist as the last piece of colonialism. Now that you know that, I assume you will fully support the removal of all non indigenous people from North America.

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Re: BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

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If you run outside your apartment in Germany and shout to the German government you will be arrested and you will not be treated kindly. They come down very very harshly on critics of Israel. Entire institutions have been destroyed (as in removal of 100% of funding, bank account closed, raided by police, electricity disconnected (during the police raid), building forcibly sold to real estate developers, etc) for stuf…

This is complete and utter bullshit. Basically every single word is a lie. Every day, there are rallies in Germany by the so-called "pro-Palestinian" groups. Every single one is allowed by the local administration. They are even protected by the police. The only reason for intervention by the state force is an illegal action - e.g. violence against other people, insults, calls for the capital crimes, racism or the li…

This person repeatedly claims that criticizing just about anything is somehow illegal in Germany, and when asked for proof only says "the German penal code."

Re: BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

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post #39

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It's not being said about a country. It's being said about specific people - the settlers that the BBC witnessed attacking a Palestinian farm.

Neither is it illegal to state that a specific attack by settlers is pure evil nor is it impossible to critizise what goes on in Israel in Germany as you allude in your other comments.

It is illegal in Germany to say that a specific person is pure evil. It is considered an insult, which is illegal. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_st...

Re: BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

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Neither is it illegal to state that a specific attack by settlers is pure evil nor is it impossible to critizise what goes on in Israel in Germany as you allude in your other comments.

It is illegal in Germany to say that a specific person is pure evil. It is considered an insult, which is illegal. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_st...

Depending on context (and probably on the judge) calling a person pure evil might be considered illegal. That is not the same as saying it about an attack or other event.

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I politely disagree with almost every combination of the words you just used :). 1. hackers could be interested in news other than tech, that’s the very identity of hacking: understanding things in this case, the world politics and conflicts. 2. even then, there are _always_ non-tech entries on HackerNews, de facto. 3. it’s not 4000 old issue (misleading oversimplification). In essence, it’s a century-old colonial pr…

> In essence, it’s a century-old colonial project that is entirely inline with the 19th and 20th century European colonialism, with a supremacist idealogy at its core (ethnostate). I don't think that's a proper characterization. Migration way strongly regulated back then. Only after WWII when the crimes of the Nazis became public, mass migration to the southern Levante were allowed. It's therefore not a colonial proj…

The Balfour declaration predates wwii. Israel has claimed they want a Jewish ethnostate from the beginning. Palestinians are a second class citizen subject to different laws in Israel.

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> In essence, it’s a century-old colonial project that is entirely inline with the 19th and 20th century European colonialism, with a supremacist idealogy at its core (ethnostate). I don't think that's a proper characterization. Migration way strongly regulated back then. Only after WWII when the crimes of the Nazis became public, mass migration to the southern Levante were allowed. It's therefore not a colonial proj…

The Balfour declaration predates wwii. Israel has claimed they want a Jewish ethnostate from the beginning. Palestinians are a second class citizen subject to different laws in Israel.

Exactly.

Furthermore, it is inherintly colonial as a former colonizer (the brits) gave the land away to new colonizers. Worth noting that Balfour was an antisemite who wanted the Jews out of his country, hence the declaration and the first wave if immigration before 48. Back then, many Palestinians got expelled from their homes, sometimes from the very jewish people they willingly hosted. All under the protection of the british army.

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