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Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by b_e_n_t_o_n »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #4

The implicit assumption of this article is that ideas approved by current members of community are good and ones expressed by the "shameless" outsider are bad. This would, for example, automatically invalidate Pride movement without considering merits of it's goals. It would be more fair to say that regardless of merit of ideas, stating them directly and forcefully despite community pushback can be a valid strategy t…

Yes - the author is biased against those behaviours and erroneously classifies it as "shamelessness" but it's really just authenticity.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by socalgal2 »

JSR_FDED wrote: post #21
lubsch wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure where you see a contradiction. Could you explain it to me? As I see it, the author claims that those who appear shameless are increasingly successful in today's day and age. The second statement is a prediction that basically follows from that and I feel like the prediction is holding up.

What I meant was that on the one hand the article says that we shouldn’t underestimate the shameless. On the other hand it says that the person who employed shamelessness in the first election likely won’t win again (thereby underestimating the shameless).

It says the opposite to me. It's saying shamelessness won. And if you don't be shameless but instead stick to pre-2016 techniques you'll lose. To win you have to be shameless.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by SeanSullivan86 »

b_e_n_t_o_n wrote: post #39

It's not shamelessness, it's authenticity. In today's curated, hyperreal society people desperately crave imperfections, cracks in the armour, they want something real , something human. They desire vulnerability, in part because it gives them courage to also be vulnerable, to not be afraid of judgement and rejection, and the freedom to be themselves. And I think it's actionable advice for all of us. Be genuine, be v…

Senior management doesn't like it, in my experience. But I agree it makes sense for many interactions.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by socalgal2 »

borroka wrote: post #11

The article is way off base. Dorsey's playbook, if it even exists, isn't something to be ashamed of, especially in the context of Silicon Valley culture. Has the author never heard of Burning Man (obviously, she has and might have been more than once)? Zuck and Dorsey are two of the most common archetypes among tech company founders: the super nerd who only thinks about technology, and then money, and power, and the…

I didn't follow Dorsey. I actually hate it when the bosses above me add their personal activities to their posts. The worst was one posting about a business trip halfway around the world while the company had effectively banned all business related travel. In general though, I don't want to hear about how great life is when you're making muliple X more than me. At least not from my bosses.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by wredcoll »

> Increasingly, I think the “shameless” approach is becoming a dominant strategy today. It was first popularized in modern canon by Paris Hilton, who played the “dumb blonde heiress” stereotype so smoothly that everyone assumed she really was as stupid as she seemed.

This seems wildly unsupported. I lived through that era, and admittedly I wasn't breathlessly tuned into the latest celebrity gossip, but from a sort of second hand (or third or fourth) she seemed to say and do the exact same things as any other rich young socialite.

She went to parties with other celebs, had her fashiom choices reported on and occasionally said something mildly vapid.

The biggest moment, of course, was her ex-boyfriend selling their sex tape, but she wasn't the first or the last person to have someone publish private material.

Is the argument that she was the first woman to not commit suicide when that happened and there for she's shameless?

Or just that she was famous despite acting like an average wealthy child and that made people real mad?

It seems like a truly Reed Richards level stretch to get to someone like Trump who says and does a bunch of awful things most people thought were off limits for a politician and was rewarded by a bunch of awful people.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by apical_dendrite »

b_e_n_t_o_n wrote: post #39

It's not shamelessness, it's authenticity. In today's curated, hyperreal society people desperately crave imperfections, cracks in the armour, they want something real , something human. They desire vulnerability, in part because it gives them courage to also be vulnerable, to not be afraid of judgement and rejection, and the freedom to be themselves. And I think it's actionable advice for all of us. Be genuine, be v…

No, it's shamelessness.

Shame exists to keep us from engaging in antisocial behavior.

If your true self is a liar, a cheat, a cruel person, then you should absolutely be afraid to be your true self.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by wredcoll »

Spooky23 wrote: post #24
JSR_FDED wrote: post #3

Weird contradiction in the article - it warns us not to complacently write off those who appear shameless… but also: > any major politician sticking to a pre-2016 playbook today is almost certainly not going to win.

Politics was in this weird stasis. The shameless showman broke the script where some evolution of 1960s Kennedy v. Nixon was displaced by whatever you call this era. Vice President Quayle was mocked endlessly for spelling the word potato incorrectly. Now we have a dude who can barely string a sentence together.

Perhaps it wasn't really about the potato spelling after all. Or the emails.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by dkarl »

b_e_n_t_o_n wrote: post #39

It's not shamelessness, it's authenticity. In today's curated, hyperreal society people desperately crave imperfections, cracks in the armour, they want something real , something human. They desire vulnerability, in part because it gives them courage to also be vulnerable, to not be afraid of judgement and rejection, and the freedom to be themselves. And I think it's actionable advice for all of us. Be genuine, be v…

It's a very specific form of authenticity. It's the authenticity of people who don't make an effort, who don't feel any need to try, who know that people are going to accept them and look up to them no matter how shitty they are.

But for regular people it's a fantasy. Because it only works if you're rich.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by tw04 »

wredcoll wrote: post #45

> Increasingly, I think the “shameless” approach is becoming a dominant strategy today. It was first popularized in modern canon by Paris Hilton, who played the “dumb blonde heiress” stereotype so smoothly that everyone assumed she really was as stupid as she seemed. This seems wildly unsupported. I lived through that era, and admittedly I wasn't breathlessly tuned into the latest celebrity gossip, but from a sort of…

I’m guessing he’s more referring to the television show with Nicole Ritchie where they both acted shamelessly stupid for the attention.

I supposed it’s possible she’s really as dumb as she portrayed on her “reality” tv show, but I find it extremely unlikely given the money and education.

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