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Passion over Profits

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Re: Passion over Profits

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While I understand the sentiment, its often not that black and white. I was in a similar situation a few years ago, with one company doing something novel and "better for humanity" v/s just another saas that paid more. While I was leaning towards the former, what really bothered me was 1) their equity structure was quite pitiful, lower than industry standard and 2) They weren't flexible with remote work. Now, I compl…

> Because this is how a lot of people get free labor from idealistic engineers.

A more charitable and, I believe honest, way to frame that is that businesses pay people for their labor using a mixture of money and meaning. If the compensation provides more of the latter, it makes sense for the total package to have less of the former.

If I was offered two jobs:

1. Job A: I write code to help an insurance company update its actuarial tables.

2. Job B: I write code to help a climate change organization calculate better ways to save energy.

Then, yes, I'll take less salary to take Job B. I'm not being exploited. I'm being paid in a profoundly meaningful way.

Always remember that money is an indirection. The ultimate goal is a meaningful life that supports your values. Earning money lets you spend it on those meaningful things. But you don't always have to go through cash to get there.

The real trick is finding companies that are actually doing work that aligns with your values and not just trying to appear to be.

Re: Passion over Profits

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Only if you are at a comfortable salary already, which for this field is normal I guess?

There are a whole lot of working class people working in low paying jobs like social work because it aligns with their values.

It's not a given that people only prioritize their values after they are financially comfortable. It does seem to be the case that many people in the software field do.

Re: Passion over Profits

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post #37

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Exhibit B: video games. Montreal (or any other video game hub) is a great place to start a software business. There are tons of highly qualified, underpaid and overworked software engineers to poach from the video game firms.

Exhibit C: Zoo employees

The music industry.

The film industry.

Re: Passion over Profits

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Until you've worked at a job where you're genuinely excited to get up every morning and hack, it's very hard to empathize with this sentiment. Doubly so because employers compelling enough to make employees passionate about their jobs often exploit this and have extremely substandard working conditions (exhibit A: academia). Despite that, once you've been genuinely passionate about a job, it's very hard to see the wo…

My dad was a professor in his later years. He once had a conversation with a secretary (back before computers replaced them) who complained:

"garbage men get paid more than me!"

My dad replied "why don't you quit and become a garbage collector?"

She angrily replied "but that's a filthy disgusting job!"

Re: Passion over Profits

#46

Until you've worked at a job where you're genuinely excited to get up every morning and hack, it's very hard to empathize with this sentiment. Doubly so because employers compelling enough to make employees passionate about their jobs often exploit this and have extremely substandard working conditions (exhibit A: academia). Despite that, once you've been genuinely passionate about a job, it's very hard to see the wo…

Empathize with what? Many people have experience with having free time and thus know what it’s like to do things that they like doing. Replace all of this job-passion with the fantasy of winning enough millions in the lottery to retire and yeah, there you go. People already fantasize about that. But the above doesn’t involve making a profit for an employer. I don’t know if that was supposed to be part of the empathiz…

>Empathize with what?

Empathize with someone having the same degree of passion towards what they do at work and what they do outside of work.

>Replace all of this job-passion with the fantasy of winning enough millions in the lottery to retire and yeah, there you go. People already fantasize about that.

This is the exact opposite sentiment. People desire endless amount of free time (e.g. retirement) specifically because it lets them spend all of their time pursuing passions that no employer is willing to pay for. Their job is not one of those passions, and it is hard for them to imagine a world in which that could possibly be the case.

While most of my passions would not make for a very lucrative career, one of my passions happens to be solving scientific computing problems I find cool, and I have been very lucky that several employers have been willing to pay good sums of money for me to pursue that passion.

Re: Passion over Profits

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Empathize with what? Many people have experience with having free time and thus know what it’s like to do things that they like doing. Replace all of this job-passion with the fantasy of winning enough millions in the lottery to retire and yeah, there you go. People already fantasize about that. But the above doesn’t involve making a profit for an employer. I don’t know if that was supposed to be part of the empathiz…

>Empathize with what? Empathize with someone having the same degree of passion towards what they do at work and what they do outside of work. >Replace all of this job-passion with the fantasy of winning enough millions in the lottery to retire and yeah, there you go. People already fantasize about that. This is the exact opposite sentiment. People desire endless amount of free time (e.g. retirement) specifically beca…

> While most of my passions would not make for a very lucrative career, one of my passions happens to be solving scientific computing problems I find cool, and I have been very lucky that several employers have been willing to pay good sums of money for me to pursue that passion.

You’re truly the lucky one in that equation.

Re: Passion over Profits

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post #27

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Empathize with what? Many people have experience with having free time and thus know what it’s like to do things that they like doing. Replace all of this job-passion with the fantasy of winning enough millions in the lottery to retire and yeah, there you go. People already fantasize about that. But the above doesn’t involve making a profit for an employer. I don’t know if that was supposed to be part of the empathiz…

No one is arguing that people don't understand the concept of being excited. But I think a lot of people would be less convinced that it's possible to be passionate about your work.

I know and believe that it is possible for a slave to be happy because she is a slave.

Re: Passion over Profits

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is arguing that people don't understand the concept of being excited. But I think a lot of people would be less convinced that it's possible to be passionate about your work.

I know and believe that it is possible for a slave to be happy because she is a slave.

Yes, that's a perfect example of what someone who didn't believe that work can be gratifying would say.
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