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Re: AI is different

#41

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Don't worry about the political leaders, if a sizeable amount of people lose their jobs they will surely ask GPT-10 how to build a guillotine.

The french revolution did not go well for the average french person. Not sure guillotines are the solution we need.

How did it not go well for the avg person?

The status quo does not go well for the avg person.

Re: AI is different

#42
post #7

In every technology wave so far, we've disrupted many existing jobs. However we've also opened up new kinds of jobs. And, because it is easier to retrain humans than build machines for those jobs, we wound up with more and better jobs. This is the first technology wave that doesn't just displace humans, but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can. Right now it can't replace human…

> but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can

What makes you think that? Self driving cars have had untold billions of dollars in reaearch and decades in applied testing, iteration, active monitoring, etc and it still has a very long tail of unaddressed issues. They've been known to ignore police traffic redirections, they've run right through construction barriers, and recently they were burnt to a crisp in the LA riots, completely ignorant of the turmoil that was going on. A human driver is still far more adaptive and requires a lot less training than AI, and humans are ready to handle the infinitely long tail of exceptions to the otherwise algorithmic task of driving, which follows strict rules.

And when you talk about applying this same tech, so confidently, to domains far more nuanced and complex than driving, with even less training data than to go off, I find myself firmly in the skeptics camp, that holds you will struggle even harder to apply humanoid robotics in uncontrolled environments across a diverse range of tasks without human intervention or piloting or maintenence or management.

Unemployment is still near all time lows, this will persist for sometime as we have a structural demographic problem with massive amounts of retirees and less children to support the population "pyramid" (which is looking more like a tapering rectangle these days).

Re: AI is different

#43

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Maybe, or 300 of those engineers will be working for 3 new companies while the other 600 struggle to find gainful employment, even after taking large pay cuts, as their skillsets are replaced rather than augmented. It’s way too early to call afaict

Because it's so easy to make new software and sell it using AI, 6 of those 600 people who are unemployed will have ideas that require 100 engineers each to make. They will build a prototype, get funding, and hire 99 engineers each. There are also plenty of ideas that aren't profitable with 2 salaries but is with 1. Many will be able to make those ideas happen with AI helping.

It'll be easy to make new software. I don't know if it's going to be easy to sell it.

The more software AI can write, the more of a commodity software will become, and the harder the value of software will tank. It's not magic.

Re: AI is different

#44

Open letter to tech magnates: By all means, continue to make or improve your Llamas/Geminis (to the latter: stop censoring Literally Everything. Google has a culture problem. To the former... I don't much trust your parent company in general) It will undoubtedly lead to great advances But for the love of god do not tightly bind them to your products (Kagi does it alright, they don't force it on you). Do not make your…

> It will undoubtedly lead to great advances

"Undoubtedly" seems like a level of confidence that is unjustified. Like Travis Kalanick thinking AI is just about to help him discover new physics, this seems to suggest that AI will go from being able to do (at best) what we can already do if we were simply more diligent at our tasks to being something genuinely more than "just" us

Re: AI is different

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The french revolution did not go well for the average french person. Not sure guillotines are the solution we need.

How did it not go well for the avg person? The status quo does not go well for the avg person.

You should read French history more closely, they went through hell and changed governments at least 5 or 6 times in the 1800s.

Re: AI is different

#46
This same link was submitted 2 days ago. My comment there still applies.

LLMs do not "understand the human language, write programs, and find bugs in a complex code base"

"LLMs are language models, and their superpower is fluency. It’s this fluency that hacks our brains, trapping us into seeing them as something they aren’t."

https://jenson.org/timmy/

Re: AI is different

#47

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This is the first technology wave that doesn't just displace humans, but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can. Right now it can't replace humans for a lot of important things. But as its capabilities improve, what do displaced humans transition to? Assuming AI doesn't get better than humans at everything, humans will be supervising and directing AIs.

That sounds like a job for a very small number of people. Where will everyone else work?

More companies. See my post here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=44919671&goto=item%3Fi...

Re: AI is different

#48
post #24

AI with ability but without responsibility is not enough for dramatic socioeconomic change, I think. For now, the critical unique power of human workers is that you can hold them responsible for things. edit: ability without accountability is the catchier motto :)

This is a great observation. I think it also accounts for what is so exhausting about AI programming: the need for such careful review. It's not just that you can't entirely trust the agent, it's also that you can't blame the agent if something goes wrong.

Re: AI is different

#49
post #7

In every technology wave so far, we've disrupted many existing jobs. However we've also opened up new kinds of jobs. And, because it is easier to retrain humans than build machines for those jobs, we wound up with more and better jobs. This is the first technology wave that doesn't just displace humans, but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can. Right now it can't replace human…

> what do displaced humans transition to?

go to any war-torn country or collapsed empire (Soviet). I have seen/grow-up myself in both — you would get desperation, people giving-up, alcohol (famous "X"-cross of birth rate drop and deaths rising), drugs, crime, corruption/warlord-ing, rural communities hit first and totally vanish, then small-tier cities vanish, then mid-tier, only the largest hubs remain. loss of science, culture, and education. people are just gone. only ruins of whatever latest shelters they had remain, not even their prime-time architecture. you can drive hundreds/thousands of kms across these ruin of what once was flurishing culture. years ago you would find one old person still living there. these days not a single human left. this is what is coming.

Re: AI is different

#50
> Since LLMs and in general deep models are poorly understood ...

This is demonstrably wrong. An easy refutation to cite is:

https://medium.com/@akshatsanghi22/how-to-build-your-own-lar...

As to the rest of this pontification, well... It has almost triple the number of qualifiers (5 if's, 4 could's, and 5 will's) than paragraphs (5).

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