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Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by imoverclocked »

I have used Debian starting sometime around slink. I still type "apt-get ..." and it still works reasonably well. There have definitely been hiccups in upgrades over the last 25+ years but the amount of time/effort dealing with those is almost nothing in comparison to other linux and non-OSS systems I've dealt with over the same span of time. My only regret is not contributing more to the community.

The thing I like most about Debian is that you need to know at least a little about what is going on to use it. For me, it does a good job of following "as simple as possible and no simpler."

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by Barrin92 »

josteink wrote: post #23
stouset wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I too had no idea what he’s talking about, so I did some digging. So, an open-source contributor who works for Canonical on Ubuntu gave a talk at Debconf. He is a convicted and admitted sexual predator who served time in prison for his crimes. This all is pretty well-documented. But… then what? He did the time for his crimes. He’s on the national sex offender registry. What now? Should he be unemployable? Should his…

> Should his contributions to open-source projects be rejected? As someone whose attitude towards open-source is that it's the code who should do the talking, and not who contributed it (nor the colour of their skin, or their sexual orientation, etc) ... I'd say he should be able to contribute code, as long as the code is good enough. Same rule as every other code-contribution. But the Debian-project has made the dec…

>Even after having served his time, there's still a certain stain there

In Western jurisprudence the basis for society enacting punishment on criminals is that the punishment is just. One characteristic of that is it that it is proportionate which means it has an end. Criminals who have done their time don't have "stains" or marks as if they're Cain, they have a right to reintegration, because if they didn't, what exactly was the punishment doing?

So no, it doesn't reflect badly on any software project for employing a person who has payed for their crime. It reflects well on any employer if they treat ex-convicts equally.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

#44

Post by zvmaz »

ACS_Solver wrote: post #25

Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…

> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it.

In what way Ubuntu went downhill?

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by juujian »

I have been using Debian Trixie for a few months in testing now, I can attest that its a great, stable operating system. Definitely better than Ubuntu in terms of user experience.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by happymellon »

zvmaz wrote: post #44
ACS_Solver wrote: post #25

Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…

> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?

Snaps? Proprietary package managers are never great.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by abhinavk »

NewJazz wrote: post #27
accrual wrote: post #17

> i386 is no longer supported as a regular architecture: there is no official kernel and no Debian installer for i386 systems. The i386 architecture is now only intended to be used on a 64-bit (amd64) CPU. Users running i386 systems should not upgrade to trixie. Instead, Debian recommends either reinstalling them as amd64, where possible, or retiring the hardware. Impressive that i386 support made it all the way to A…

Well, isn't there an additional year or so of support for old stable? So beyond 2025.

Buster is supported until June 2028.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by b112 »

For those worrying about the NIC change with systemd, this comes from the release doc:

https://www.debian.org/releases/trixie/release-notes/issues....

  # example:
  udevadm test-builtin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/eno4 2>/dev/null
  ID_NET_LINK_FILE=/usr/lib/systemd/network/99-default.link
  ID_NET_LINK_FILE_DROPINS=
  ID_NET_NAME=eno4
Here's a one-liner, excluding a bond interface and lo. Gives a nice list of pre and post change.

  for x in $(cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep auto | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | grep -Ev 'lo|bond0'); do echo -n $x:; udevadm test-builtin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/$x 2>/dev/null | grep NET_NAME| cut -d = -f 2; done
The doc's logic is that after you've upgraded to trixie, and before reboot, you're running enough of systemd to see what it will name interfaces after reboot.

So far I have not had an interface change due to upgrade, so I cannot say that the above does detect it.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by mmcnl »

happymellon wrote: post #46
zvmaz wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?

Snaps? Proprietary package managers are never great.

I don't really understand why this is such a big problem. You don't have to use snaps.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

zvmaz wrote: post #44
ACS_Solver wrote: post #25

Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…

> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?

Snaps, and ads in the motd
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