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New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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post #8

There's a reason the Americans discovered how to make atomic weapons first and it's because their researchers were living under a less oppressive state that wasn't motivated by anti-intellectualism and dumb ideology.

Go deeper - why does anti-intellectualism emerge?

Headlines like this don't help.

"Scientific fraud has become an 'industry,' analysis finds"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44796526

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

#43

I don’t really understand why so much of science is funded by the government instead of by private philanthropy. It seems like an obvious channel for corruption of science. Sure private donors have interest driven motives too but it would be diffuse across many areas not concentrated like a political party’s interests.

> I don’t really understand why so much of science is funded by the government instead of by private philanthropy. Two reasons. First, private philanthropy is neither sustainable nor sufficient in scope. Second, because government funded science is free from having to produce immediate results in order to satisfy the whims of a specific patron such that funding is continued. > It seems like an obvious channel for cor…

> Second, because government funded science is free from having to produce immediate results in order to satisfy the whims of a specific patron such that funding is continued.

I agree with you but there's irony (and a possible lesson about motives) in the current situation.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

#44
post #42

How much of this shit is even legal?

We shall see. Undoubtedly much of this order will be challenged by some pretty powerful institutions and lawyers. Unfortunately, my confidence in the supreme court to uphold the fairest or least destructive interpretation of the law is at an all time low.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

#45
post #42

How much of this shit is even legal?

What does “legal” even matter when you ignore lower courts, stop them from being able to issue injunctions, and have the Supreme Court in your pocket?

This last election was the end of American democracy.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

#46
post #2

Related paulg tweet: https://x.com/paulg/status/1951996478555357530 "The Trump administration has suspended the funding of Terence Tao and the Institute for Pure and Applied Mathematics at UCLA."

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Paul Graham? Pretty sure he was anti-Trump before the last election.

But I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s one of those “enlightened centrists.”

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t really understand why so much of science is funded by the government instead of by private philanthropy. Two reasons. First, private philanthropy is neither sustainable nor sufficient in scope. Second, because government funded science is free from having to produce immediate results in order to satisfy the whims of a specific patron such that funding is continued. > It seems like an obvious channel for cor…

> Second, because government funded science is free from having to produce immediate results in order to satisfy the whims of a specific patron such that funding is continued. I agree with you but there's irony (and a possible lesson about motives) in the current situation.

Well, hundreds of elected representatives and a handful of judges have had to entirely abdicate their responsibility and power for us to arrive at this point. It's not just one guy.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

#50

I don’t really understand why so much of science is funded by the government instead of by private philanthropy. It seems like an obvious channel for corruption of science. Sure private donors have interest driven motives too but it would be diffuse across many areas not concentrated like a political party’s interests.

Neoclassical economics has an answer!

The market can't provide public goods like basic research since it's non-excludable. This is a market failure, causing inefficient allocation of resources.

Therefore, the government has to provide it. This can improve efficiency of resource distribution, if done well.

Whether it's done well is not a foregone conclusion. That's why we need effective and technocratic state capacity, free from corruption and independent of political influence.

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