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Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by 1659447091 »

mythrwy wrote: post #25
lesuorac wrote: post #2

Honestly, kinda hope they did require a passport to vote. It'll be great to see what a shitshow it is when 70% of people in Arkansas [1] can't vote. It seems to be pretty evenly split amongst being the administration and their primary opposition although I guess devil might be in the details [2]. [1]: https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/... [2]: https://today.yougov.com/travel/articles/35414-o…

I'm very surprised to learn 1/3 of Americans have a passport. I would have guessed much lower.

It use to be, but sometime in the early 2000's land/sea crossings to Canada and Mexico required a passport for re-entry. I remember reading most Americans that travel outside the US go to Mexico or Canada; changing to require a passport caused a large jump in applications

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by tastyface »

treetalker wrote: post #29

Article's actual title: "The Trump Administration’s Campaign to Undermine the Next Election"

Using the actual title will immediately get it flagged/killed. Which is a shame because the article is far from clickbait.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by crooked-v »

antonymoose wrote: post #13
buerkle wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Showing ID to vote wouldn't be controversial in the US if states made it easy to obtain a valid ID for the purpose. But states routinely use it as a backdoor mechanism to prevent people from voting.

In my state I bring two forms of ID and a couple of bills to the DMV and I’m issued a same-day license? How does that compare to a notoriously unfriendly nation like Germany? In any case, my understanding is virtually any nation in Central and South America requires identification to vote. If the third-world poverty stricken nations make it work there is no reason the rich United States cannot.

"Same-day" doesn't work if you live somewhere that the DMV is only open during work hours, has lines longer than 8 hours (https://dmvwaittimes.org/north-carolina), or is literally only open four days a year (https://trust.dot.state.wi.us/cscfinder/cityCountySearch.do?...).

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by hypeatei »

samdoesnothing wrote: post #20

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How did MAGA win in 2024 if Dems had illegals voting for them? I see right wingers regularly push the narrative that they're the underdog fighting against people rigging the election and that evil Dems are stealing it from them... yet they still go out and vote?

Please enlighten us with elections where illegals voted and changed the outcome.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by Modified3019 »

mythrwy wrote: post #25
lesuorac wrote: post #2

Honestly, kinda hope they did require a passport to vote. It'll be great to see what a shitshow it is when 70% of people in Arkansas [1] can't vote. It seems to be pretty evenly split amongst being the administration and their primary opposition although I guess devil might be in the details [2]. [1]: https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/... [2]: https://today.yougov.com/travel/articles/35414-o…

I'm very surprised to learn 1/3 of Americans have a passport. I would have guessed much lower.

We used to be able to afford traveling.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

antonymoose wrote: post #13
buerkle wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Showing ID to vote wouldn't be controversial in the US if states made it easy to obtain a valid ID for the purpose. But states routinely use it as a backdoor mechanism to prevent people from voting.

In my state I bring two forms of ID and a couple of bills to the DMV and I’m issued a same-day license? How does that compare to a notoriously unfriendly nation like Germany? In any case, my understanding is virtually any nation in Central and South America requires identification to vote. If the third-world poverty stricken nations make it work there is no reason the rich United States cannot.

another angle is: if the ID costs money, no matter how trivial the amount, then it is effectively a ballot fee.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by nerdponx »

docdeek wrote: post #6

It is strange that showing ID to vote is controversial in the US and that providing basic ID to citizens for free to allow them to vote is a problem that seems difficult to solve (or want to solve). My anecdote: I am an EU citizen living in another EU country. As such, I am permitted to vote in local and European elections. When I moved to my current village I registered with the local town hall online. I sent a scan…

The kind of actual voter fraud that ID requirements would prevent is extremely rare. There are better ways to rig elections than hiring thousands of people to physically show up at different polling centers and vote several times under different names. Even disregarding the fact that voter ID laws are (and historically have been) widely abused to disenfranchise specific groups in the USA, what do you actually gain by requiring ID?

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by treetalker »

Meanwhile look what's happening in Texas: another gerrymander attempt, since even some Republicans are sick of Trump's authoritarian dumpster fires and the kowtowing Republicans in Congress. And, sensing the impending Midterms bloodbath, the GOP is picking its voters instead of letting the voters pick their representatives.

True, Democrats and others have gerrymandered too. But I sense that most people don't want the gerrymander to be possible. Yet we can't get it changed because we're beholden to some dead guys who laid down rules hundreds of years ago, which none of us agreed to or had any input on; and we don't really have representatives in Congress to change things according to law the way we want them to, because they self-deal (looking at you, Rick Scott) and because Citizens United cemented the power of those who really get representation —those with money, and corporations. The People will revolt if things don't change fast.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by neaden »

jimbo808 wrote: post #27
tastyface wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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If you can't even prove you're an American by providing basic identification, you shouldn't be allowed vote. Democracy requires a system of voting that is trustworthy. Allowing people to vote based on who they say they are is not conducive to a trustworthy election.

But it works fine. There have been extensive efforts to find people voting illegally and it turns up a small handful across the entire country, and many of those are things like returning a recently dead persons mail in ballot that voter ID wouldn't even help with. The fact is that all the evidence says an incredibly small number of people vote who are not legally eligible to do so, and only a small proportion of those are non-citizen immigrants.
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