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Re: Live From Nokia’s Windows Phone 8 Press Conference

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Post by cooldeal »

rbanffy wrote: post #28
markmm wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will fail, this is the last chance for Nokia, I expect them to go out of the smart phone business very quickly.

This is really scary. If Nokia goes out of business and its patent portfolio ends up in the hands of a patent troll, there will be an effective entry barrier in the smartphone market (because every current smartphone maker probably has a cross-licensing agreement in place, only new players will be affected). My bet is Microsoft will acquire what's left of Nokia and use patents offensively against competitors where th…

I came to HN expecting to read such a comment thread and I was not disappointed at all.

Re: Live From Nokia’s Windows Phone 8 Press Conference

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Post by mtgx »

lawdawg wrote: post #8

I am the only one that finds Metro to be ugly (hate the color choices and block-y design) and cluttered? This does not strike me as something I want to see on my home screen: http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/769... Regardless, I'm wondering if the average consumer feels the same way as well. WP7 is not selling well, and WP8 (and the new Lumias) don't really differentiate themselves that much f…

WP8 is definitely more cluttered-looking than WP7 before it. But overall, it's just blocks of color, and in many (app) cases ugly colors.

Re: Live From Nokia’s Windows Phone 8 Press Conference

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Post by recoiledsnake »

lawdawg wrote: post #8

I am the only one that finds Metro to be ugly (hate the color choices and block-y design) and cluttered? This does not strike me as something I want to see on my home screen: http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/769... Regardless, I'm wondering if the average consumer feels the same way as well. WP7 is not selling well, and WP8 (and the new Lumias) don't really differentiate themselves that much f…

Have you used WP beyond seeing screenshots? That homescreen is that way because they want to show the flexibility of tiles in Windows Phone 8.

Coloring Metro to be ugly based on that is almost like seeing a MySpace page and calling HTML/CSS ugly looking.

If you take the mini tile out of the equation, here's a video showcasing WP 7.5 (WP8 can be made to look like this).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=locNEna0of4&feature=plcp

What's ugly about that? People's tastes differ, of course, but a lot of people use it and seem to like it for the most part.

If you're really interested in the design philosophy instead of seeing a screenshot and knocking it down in a knee jerk comment(Well, this is HN with its biases, who am I kidding), here's some analysis of Metro's alternative approach.

http://www.riagenic.com/archives/487

http://www.riagenic.com/archives/493

http://www.riagenic.com/archives/526

>Also, this is DOA in the US if they are AT&T exclusive.

>Regardless, I'm wondering if the average consumer feels the same way as well. WP7 is not selling well, and WP8 (and the new Lumias) don't really differentiate themselves that much from the previous iteration in terms of what a consumer will see in the first few minutes of using the phone.

Even the Lumia 900 with the deprecated WP7 had decent sales and was second on AT&T after the iPhone and then beat the One X till the S3 came into the picture and WP8 was announced.

http://www.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/postimage...

Edit:

Here's Woz calling it a no contest.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/28/2983312/steve-wozniak-wind...

And here's Scott Adams thoughts after trying WP:

http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/windows_phone_challenge_result...

USER INTERFACE

    Samsung/Windows: GREAT

    iPhone: GOOD

    HTC EVO 3D/Android: POOR
>The Windows phone has the best user interface experience, although the onscreen keyboard is problematic just as it is with the other phones I used. The Windows interface is intuitive, simple, and has a liveliness that I find appealing. Voice call quality was good, and battery life seemed good too. I declare it the winner compared to my iPhone 3GS with AT&T and my HTC EVO 3D with Android on the Sprint network.

Re: Live From Nokia’s Windows Phone 8 Press Conference

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Post by freehunter »

realugglan wrote: post #36
freehunter wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nokia has said that PureView is the new kind of optical image stabilization, not the megapixels on the sensor. It's not misleading, you're just not understanding it correctly. The high MP count was part of the 808 PureView, but it wasn't what defined it as a PureView. The optical image stabilization was. The 41-MP sensor was just Nokia showing off. http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/5/3293041/nokia-lumia-920-pur...

The original paper presenting it earlier this year: http://www.nokia.com/PRODUCT_METADATA_0/Products/Phones/8000... "The Nokia PureView Pro imaging technology is the combination of a large, super high resolution 41Mpix with high performance Carl Zeiss optics. The large sensor enables pixel oversampling, which will be explained in detail in this paper but in a nutshell it means the combination of many pixels into one…

Well it fits in with Surface and Surface Pro. Surface is a tightly designed and controlled tablet running Windows RT. Surface Pro is the same tablet, but running something a little more cumbersome but with the added bonus of being more powerful to use. PureView is a tightly designed lens. PureView Pro is the same lens with the addition of a gigantic sensor which makes it a little more cumbersome to use but also adds an incredible amount more power.

Seems in line with how Microsoft has been branding since at least Windows XP.

Re: Live From Nokia’s Windows Phone 8 Press Conference

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Post by vyrotek »

Lewisham wrote: post #39
untog wrote: post #4

Nokia's new phones look fantastic. But their last ones looked fantastic, too. PureView camera? Awesome. But all my friends share photos through Instagram. No Instagram on WP8 = me not being able to share photos with my friends. So right now, this former WP7 user is sticking with Android. I really, really want to like Windows Phone- the UI is better than anything else out there. But it needs more support from third pa…

Nokia's new phones look fantastic. But their last ones looked fantastic, too. I think this totally sums up Nokia (and Microsoft's) predicament. They're doing all the right things, and they still can't seem to catch a break. Google's tactic of putting Android in the hands of companies who were being heavily burned by iPhone gave them ubiquity, and in America at least, the AT&T deal probably did more harm than good for…

I think consumers are going to be weirded out by the fact that the stuff they have on their Windows 8 tablet doesn't appear on their Windows Phone 8 handset.

I'm not sure I followed this. Do you think people get weirded out by not having 'the stuff' on their iPad appear on their iPhone?

Re: Live From Nokia’s Windows Phone 8 Press Conference

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Post by ghshephard »

MartinCron wrote: post #37
ghshephard wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've announced a product, but no pricing or availability. People will immediately stop buying the current generation, but don't have the next generation to purchase - and there is no idea when they will be able to. Nokia just put the brakes on sales, and haven't indicated when they'll let up on them.

But the brakes have been on sales for a while, as we have known that the latest windows phone software won't work on the existing Lumia phones.

Well, let's just say then that they pushed a bit harder. The difference now, is previously I could have purchased a phone, and then in some indeterminate period of time in the future, upgraded to a new phone, and brought all my applications (and, much, much more importantly for most people - my familiarity with the platform) along with me. WP8 is pretty similar to WP7 in terms of GUI.

But now - I know what that new phone is going to look like - so buying todays phone is like buying the previous generation. Also - it was _demoed_ - so it feels like it's going to be released any day now...

Re: Live From Nokia’s Windows Phone 8 Press Conference

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Post by Lewisham »

vyrotek wrote: post #45
Lewisham wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nokia's new phones look fantastic. But their last ones looked fantastic, too. I think this totally sums up Nokia (and Microsoft's) predicament. They're doing all the right things, and they still can't seem to catch a break. Google's tactic of putting Android in the hands of companies who were being heavily burned by iPhone gave them ubiquity, and in America at least, the AT&T deal probably did more harm than good for…

I think consumers are going to be weirded out by the fact that the stuff they have on their Windows 8 tablet doesn't appear on their Windows Phone 8 handset. I'm not sure I followed this. Do you think people get weirded out by not having 'the stuff' on their iPad appear on their iPhone?

Most iPad apps have iPhone equivalents, or are built and distributed as a single app for both platforms.

Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 does not appear to have this functionality. There was rumors of WP8 apps being usable on Windows 8, but I highly doubt it'll go the other way.

Users should not be expected to see two devices, which have equal interfaces (just a smaller form factor) and realize they are different, especially seeing how iOS/Android has trained them to think they are the same.

Re: Live From Nokia’s Windows Phone 8 Press Conference

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Post by vyrotek »

Lewisham wrote: post #47
vyrotek wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think consumers are going to be weirded out by the fact that the stuff they have on their Windows 8 tablet doesn't appear on their Windows Phone 8 handset. I'm not sure I followed this. Do you think people get weirded out by not having 'the stuff' on their iPad appear on their iPhone?

Most iPad apps have iPhone equivalents, or are built and distributed as a single app for both platforms. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 does not appear to have this functionality. There was rumors of WP8 apps being usable on Windows 8, but I highly doubt it'll go the other way. Users should not be expected to see two devices, which have equal interfaces (just a smaller form factor) and realize they are different, espe…

I was under the impression that the whole reason Microsoft was pushing 'the style formally known as Metro' on Windows, Surface and Phones was so that it would be possible to easily port apps across everything. I'm a .Net developer so I'm genuinely interested in this topic. I figured it wouldn't be as easy as just changing the UI dimensions, but I thought the new architecture with WinRT and stuff would provide enough commonality API-wise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone_8

Simplified porting of Windows 8 apps to Windows Phone 8 (compatibility with Windows 8 Metro apps)

On June 20, 2012, Microsoft unveiled Windows Phone 8, a new generation of the operating system for release later in 2012. Windows Phone 8 will replace its previously Windows CE-based architecture with one based off the Windows NT kernel with many components shared with Windows 8, allowing applications to be easily ported between the two platforms.

Re: Live From Nokia’s Windows Phone 8 Press Conference

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Post by Lewisham »

vyrotek wrote: post #48
Lewisham wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most iPad apps have iPhone equivalents, or are built and distributed as a single app for both platforms. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 does not appear to have this functionality. There was rumors of WP8 apps being usable on Windows 8, but I highly doubt it'll go the other way. Users should not be expected to see two devices, which have equal interfaces (just a smaller form factor) and realize they are different, espe…

I was under the impression that the whole reason Microsoft was pushing 'the style formally known as Metro' on Windows, Surface and Phones was so that it would be possible to easily port apps across everything. I'm a .Net developer so I'm genuinely interested in this topic. I figured it wouldn't be as easy as just changing the UI dimensions, but I thought the new architecture with WinRT and stuff would provide enough…

I think this is something we'll just have to wait and see on, AFAIK we don't know what the APIs and such on WP8 are yet.
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