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Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by Karawebnetwork »

maxbond wrote: post #11
echelon wrote: post #2

I'm on the image and video side of AI. I see the claims being levied against LLMs, but in the generative media world these models are nothing short of revolutionary. In addition to being an engineer, I'm also a filmmaker. This tech has so many orders of magnitude changes to the production cycle: - Films can be made 5,000x cheaper (a $100M Disney film will be matched by small studios on budgets of $20,000.) - Films ca…

Can you point to a film that has used this technology? Can you point to anything that substantiates those numbers? Genuinely asking, my mind is open to the possibility but I don't want to take it on faith. (I watched that Kalshi ad to be clear.)

The best example I've seen so far is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8rMzlG29Q

Personally, I'm not particularly impressed. Yes, I'm impressed by the technology and the fact that we've reached a point where something like this is even possible, but in my opinion, it's soulless and suffers from the same problems as other AI videos. More emphasis was placed on length than quality, and I've seen shorter, traditionally produced videos that had more heart. That's probably because these videos were created by amateurs who thought the AI would fill in all the gaps, but that only underscores the need for human artists with a keen eye.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by echelon »

queenkjuul wrote: post #40
echelon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How many movies have you worked on? Over a dozen. > People are already creating movies with $1k cameras Nobody wants to make an iPhone movie. They want $200k glass optics and a VFX budget like Nolan's or Villeneuve's. I'm tired of people from outside the profession telling us we should be happy with quaint little things. That's not how the ideal world works. In the ideal world, everyone can tell the exact story in…

People want $200k optics, but will settle for an AI, where they wouldn't settle for an iPhone? What?

You don't need photons to paint with pixels.

But if you're using photons, good gear is very costly.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by jsbisviewtiful »

stego-tech wrote: post #25

I came into the comments to see how the discourse is shaping up in light of the author’s claims, and I’m seeing the same old boosterism trying to dismiss it wholesale without providing conclusive evidence. So without further ado: * If LLMs can indeed produce wholly novel research independently without any external sources, then prove it. Cite sources, unlike the chatbot that told you it can do that thing. Show us act…

> Stop insulting us and show some f*king proof, or go back to playing with LLMs until you can make them do the things you claim they can do.

Everything revolving around these LLMs so far as been tech hype culture and similar "think of the future" vibes. IMO we never see proof of this because right now it simply doesn't exist.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by tim333 »

jsbisviewtiful wrote: post #44
stego-tech wrote: post #25

I came into the comments to see how the discourse is shaping up in light of the author’s claims, and I’m seeing the same old boosterism trying to dismiss it wholesale without providing conclusive evidence. So without further ado: * If LLMs can indeed produce wholly novel research independently without any external sources, then prove it. Cite sources, unlike the chatbot that told you it can do that thing. Show us act…

> Stop insulting us and show some f*king proof, or go back to playing with LLMs until you can make them do the things you claim they can do. Everything revolving around these LLMs so far as been tech hype culture and similar "think of the future" vibes. IMO we never see proof of this because right now it simply doesn't exist.

>Everything revolving around these LLMs so far as been tech hype culture...

compare with a headline from today:

>OpenAI’s ChatGPT to hit 700 million weekly users, up 4x from last year

I don't think there was much that hype when ChatGPT launched. Just an awful lot of people using it because it's kind of cool.

The critics seem to do a certain amount of goal post moving, like saying it's doing well by having unprecedented user growth is met by - f*king prove LLMs can indeed produce wholly novel research. Is anyone actually claiming they produce wholly novel research?

There is a similar effect with the featured blog post where the guy makes some perfectly reasonable arguments why he doesn't really like LLMs and doesn't want to work on them and then instead of titling it "Why I hate LLMs" goes with "Why I hate AI." But there's some quite cool stuff in non LLM AI like AlphaFold and trying to cure diseases. If you are talking about LLMs why not put LLM in the title?

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by general1726 »

stego-tech wrote: post #25

I came into the comments to see how the discourse is shaping up in light of the author’s claims, and I’m seeing the same old boosterism trying to dismiss it wholesale without providing conclusive evidence. So without further ado: * If LLMs can indeed produce wholly novel research independently without any external sources, then prove it. Cite sources, unlike the chatbot that told you it can do that thing. Show us act…

> If LLMs can indeed produce wholly novel research independently without any external sources, then prove it.

I was actually thinking about it, and there could be a simple test - Remove all knowledge of X from knowledge corpus and train LLM on such corpus. Under X one can imagine anything - differential calculus, logarithms, Reimann Hypothesis, Special Theory of relativity, Fermat's theorems, ... And now ask AI questions which actually has lead to discovery of X.

If AI is able to rediscover X while not knowing about X, we can say it is proof of intelligence.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by dragonwriter »

stego-tech wrote: post #25

I came into the comments to see how the discourse is shaping up in light of the author’s claims, and I’m seeing the same old boosterism trying to dismiss it wholesale without providing conclusive evidence. So without further ado: * If LLMs can indeed produce wholly novel research independently without any external sources, then prove it. Cite sources, unlike the chatbot that told you it can do that thing. Show us act…

> If LLMs can indeed produce wholly novel research independently without any external sources

I don't think this makes any sense and suspect it requires a deep misunderstanding of “research” to even consider this an issue.

Research is inherently something done in response to, and grounded in, the external.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by UncleMeat »

echelon wrote: post #2

I'm on the image and video side of AI. I see the claims being levied against LLMs, but in the generative media world these models are nothing short of revolutionary. In addition to being an engineer, I'm also a filmmaker. This tech has so many orders of magnitude changes to the production cycle: - Films can be made 5,000x cheaper (a $100M Disney film will be matched by small studios on budgets of $20,000.) - Films ca…

$20,000 is a budget for what, one animator for three months? What does "a small studio with a budget of $20,000" even look like?

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by nunez »

stego-tech wrote: post #25

I came into the comments to see how the discourse is shaping up in light of the author’s claims, and I’m seeing the same old boosterism trying to dismiss it wholesale without providing conclusive evidence. So without further ado: * If LLMs can indeed produce wholly novel research independently without any external sources, then prove it. Cite sources, unlike the chatbot that told you it can do that thing. Show us act…

Sora is actually quite incredible. Someone on Reddit used it to produce a fake medical ad (yay, America!) that attracts puppies to you: https://reddit.idevicehacked.com/r/singularity/comments/1ksm...

It was quite convincing, and I could see lower-budget studios trying to make it work. (There is a truckload of garbage tier animation on all platforms.)

The person who submitted it is an experienced producer who used something like 600 prompts to generate the end result, so it's not exactly few-shot prompting from novices with no film experience. But it happened

Then again, the astroturfing done (presumably) by big LLM is off the charts, so who knows if this was actually what happened.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by ygritte »

echelon wrote: post #2

I'm on the image and video side of AI. I see the claims being levied against LLMs, but in the generative media world these models are nothing short of revolutionary. In addition to being an engineer, I'm also a filmmaker. This tech has so many orders of magnitude changes to the production cycle: - Films can be made 5,000x cheaper (a $100M Disney film will be matched by small studios on budgets of $20,000.) - Films ca…

Why would I prefer a film that was generated by you pressing a button over a film that was generated by me pressing the same button?
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