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Re: Gemini 2.5 Deep Think

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Post by crowcroft »

andsoitis wrote: post #38
foundry27 wrote: post #34

I started doing some experimentation with this new Deep Think agent, and after five prompts I reached my daily usage limit. For $250 USD/mo that’s what you’ll be getting folks. It’s just bizarrely uncompetitive with o3-pro and Grok 4 Heavy. Anecdotally (from my experience) this was the one feature that enthusiasts in the AI community were interested in to justify the exorbitant price of Google’s Ultra subscription. I…

it turns out that AI at this level is very expensive to run (capex, energy). my bet is that AI itself won't figure out how to overcome these constraints and reach escape velocity.

Mainframes are the only viable way to build computers. Micro processors will never figure out how to get small and fast enough for personal computers to reach escape velocity.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Deep Think

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Post by thimabi »

foundry27 wrote: post #34

I started doing some experimentation with this new Deep Think agent, and after five prompts I reached my daily usage limit. For $250 USD/mo that’s what you’ll be getting folks. It’s just bizarrely uncompetitive with o3-pro and Grok 4 Heavy. Anecdotally (from my experience) this was the one feature that enthusiasts in the AI community were interested in to justify the exorbitant price of Google’s Ultra subscription. I…

> I find it astonishing that the same company providing free usage of their top models to everybody via AI Studio is nickel-and-diming their actual customers like that.

I agree that’s not a good posture, but it is entirely unsurprising.

Google is probably not profiting from AI Ultra customers either, and grabbing all that sweet usage data from the free tier of AI Studio is what matters most to improve their models.

Giving free access to the best models allows Google to capture market share among the most demanding users, which are precisely the ones that will be charged more in the future. In a certain sense, it’s a great way for Google to use its huge idle server capacity nowadays.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Deep Think

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Post by svantana »

foundry27 wrote: post #34

I started doing some experimentation with this new Deep Think agent, and after five prompts I reached my daily usage limit. For $250 USD/mo that’s what you’ll be getting folks. It’s just bizarrely uncompetitive with o3-pro and Grok 4 Heavy. Anecdotally (from my experience) this was the one feature that enthusiasts in the AI community were interested in to justify the exorbitant price of Google’s Ultra subscription. I…

I suspect that the main goal here was to grab the top spot in a bunch of benchmarks, and being counted as an "available" model.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Deep Think

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Post by thimabi »

asaddhamani wrote: post #19

I find it interesting, how OpenAI came out with a $200 plan, Anthropic did $100 and $200, then Gemini ups it to $250, and now Grok is at $300. OpenAI is the only one that says "practically unlimited" and I have never hit any limit on my ChatGPT Pro plan. I hit limits on Claude Max (both plans) several times. Why are these companies not upfront about what the limits are?

> Why are these companies not upfront about what the limits are?

Most likely because they reserve the right to dynamically alter the limits in response to market demands or infrastructure changes.

See, for instance, the Ghibli craze that dominated ChatGPT a few months ago. At the time OpenAI had no choice but to severely limit image generation quotas, yet today there are fewer constraints.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Deep Think

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Post by judge123 »

I'm wondering if 'slow AI' like this is a temporary bridge, or a whole new category we need to get used to. Is the future really about having these specialized 'deep thinkers' alongside our fast, everyday models? Or is this just a clunky V1 until the main models get this powerful on their own in seconds?

Re: Gemini 2.5 Deep Think

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Post by llm_nerd »

svantana wrote: post #45
foundry27 wrote: post #34

I started doing some experimentation with this new Deep Think agent, and after five prompts I reached my daily usage limit. For $250 USD/mo that’s what you’ll be getting folks. It’s just bizarrely uncompetitive with o3-pro and Grok 4 Heavy. Anecdotally (from my experience) this was the one feature that enthusiasts in the AI community were interested in to justify the exorbitant price of Google’s Ultra subscription. I…

I suspect that the main goal here was to grab the top spot in a bunch of benchmarks, and being counted as an "available" model.

They're using it as a major inducement to upgrade to AI Ultra. I mean, the image and video stuff is neat, but adds no value for the vast majority of AI subscribers, so right now this is the most notable benefit of paying 12x more.

FWIW, Google seems to be having some severe issues with oddball, perhaps malfunctioning quota systems. I'm regularly finding extraordinarily little use of gemini-cli is hitting the purported 1000 request limit, when in reality I've done less than 10.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Deep Think

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Post by jjcm »

nickandbro wrote: post #43

Ladies and Gentlemen, Here's Gemini Deep Think when prompted with: "Create a svg of a pelican riding on a bicycle" https://www.svgviewer.dev/s/5R5iTexQ Beat Simon Willison to it :)

Honestly the first one where I would have guessed "this is a pelican riding a bicycle" if presented with just the image and 0 other context. This and the voxel tower are fairly impressive - we're seeing some semblance of visual / spatial understanding with this model.
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