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Phone is something they have, password is something they know, once you tell them.
Imagine somebody owned your phone remotely. Aren't you immediately screwed? This is something I don't expect from 2FA.
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Re: The Convenience Trap: Why Seamless Banking Access Can Turn 2FA into 1FA
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imagine somebody owned your phone remotely. Aren't you immediately screwed? This is something I don't expect from 2FA.
Depends on details... I might not be screwed until I need to auth for something, at which point the auth is captured and I'm screwed.
Re: The Convenience Trap: Why Seamless Banking Access Can Turn 2FA into 1FA
#43> Thieves actively exploit this by “shoulder surfing” a victim’s iPhone passcode before stealing the device If someone is using biometrics how often are they really using their pin that this would at all be a valuable tactic? I very rarely actually need to enter my pin on my phone so this largely seems like a moot point? Like yeah it is still technically possible but if we really get down to it, if someone were to ge…
Individual apps I use biometrics except on reboot if they support that.
Re: The Convenience Trap: Why Seamless Banking Access Can Turn 2FA into 1FA
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Depends on details... I might not be screwed until I need to auth for something, at which point the auth is captured and I'm screwed.
And you do need to do it from time to time. So it's only 2FA against some threats , not necessarily most important ones for ordinary users.
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#45What I missed from the article is the usual: biometric authentication is not secure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJw2Kf1khlA (Yes, I'm linking YouTube because unlike popular belief, some channels are actually informative, or some make it easy for us to understand the content.) I would never use my fingerprint for authentication, because it's a flawed concept. The problem is, that your fingerprint is not a passwor…
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Exactly, your phone can break or get stolen any time. Plus I just don't want to limit myself to a single device.
Buy an older iPhone for ~$150. Install financial apps on it and don't use it for anything else. Keep it in a safe place, only carry it around if you must. If you need to manage non-trivial amounts of money through your phone, having a specific device to do that is a no-brainer.
Re: The Convenience Trap: Why Seamless Banking Access Can Turn 2FA into 1FA
#47Passkeys seem overrated for three reasons: (1) Their use of public-key cryptography is not quantum safe (against quantum computing). In contrast, passwords are very much quantum safe. (2) They are tied to the provider. Why on Earth would I want to have the provider own my passkeys? Why would I want this vendor lock-in for my authentication? (3) What if I want multiple accounts for a site? Some passkey vendors may sup…
2. By definition this isn’t true
3. Again not true, don’t confound whatever terrible implementation you have used with what is allowed or capable
Re: The Convenience Trap: Why Seamless Banking Access Can Turn 2FA into 1FA
#48> Thieves actively exploit this by “shoulder surfing” a victim’s iPhone passcode before stealing the device If someone is using biometrics how often are they really using their pin that this would at all be a valuable tactic? I very rarely actually need to enter my pin on my phone so this largely seems like a moot point? Like yeah it is still technically possible but if we really get down to it, if someone were to ge…
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The issue I'm having with this sort of "something you own and something you know/are" two-factor authentication is that it has some potential to cause violence - both can be beaten out of you: https://www.citizen.co.za/network-news/lnn/article/banking-a...
What can't though?
Re: The Convenience Trap: Why Seamless Banking Access Can Turn 2FA into 1FA
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What can't though?
A TAN generator or security key stored in a drawer at home. At least it reduces the opportunities for theft since people don't carry these devices with them all the time as opposed to their phones. Opportunity makes the thief.