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A media company demanded a license fee for an Open Graph image I used

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Re: A media company demanded a license fee for an Open Graph image I used

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Which you would think is fair use' - I must admit I wouldn't think that. When I consider Indian content creators making use of clips from Indian media organisations I can't really imagine why Indian copyright law fair dealing provisions, which are far narrower than the US provisions, wouldn't apply. Sure, you get to argue the strike on Youtube using their DMCA based system, but that has no legal bearing on your liab…

> Indian copyright law fair dealing provisions, which are far narrower than the US provisions Are they really? I've been believing the opposite. What fair use does US allow that India doesn't?

https://bytescare.com/blog/fair-use-copyright-india-vs-us

The big one being transformative use is fair-use in the US but not India.

Re: A media company demanded a license fee for an Open Graph image I used

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Which you would think is fair use' - I must admit I wouldn't think that. When I consider Indian content creators making use of clips from Indian media organisations I can't really imagine why Indian copyright law fair dealing provisions, which are far narrower than the US provisions, wouldn't apply. Sure, you get to argue the strike on Youtube using their DMCA based system, but that has no legal bearing on your liab…

> Indian copyright law fair dealing provisions, which are far narrower than the US provisions Are they really? I've been believing the opposite. What fair use does US allow that India doesn't?

Very different in character. The US fair use four factor test (https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/) is really flexible. You don't need to fall into an enumerated exception to infringement to argue that your use is transformative, won't substitute in the marketplace, etc.

Look at the famous Authors Guild, Inc. v. Google, Inc. case. Google scanned every work they could put their hands on and showed excerpts to searching users. Copying and distribution on an incredible scale! Yet, they get to argue that it won't substitute in the marketplace (the snippets are too small to prevent people buying a book), it's a transformative use (this is about searching books not reading books), and the actual disclosed text is small (even if the copying in the backend is large scale).

On the other hand, fair dealing is purpose specific. Those enumerated purposes vary across jurisdictions and India's seems broadish (I live in a different fair dealing jurisdiction). Reading s52 your purposes are:

- private or personal use, including research

- criticism or review, whether of that work or of any other work

- reporting of current events and current affairs, including the reporting of a lecture delivered in public.

Within those confines, you then get to argue purpose (e.g. how transformative), amount used, market effect, nature of the copyrighted work, etc. But if your use doesn't fall into the allowed purposes, you're out of luck to begin with.

I'm not familiar enough with Indian common law to know if the media clips those youtubers you mentioned should fall within the reporting purpose. I'm sure the answer would be complex. But all of this is to say, we often treat the world like it has one copyright law (one of the better ones) when that's not the case! Something appreciated by TFA.

Re: A media company demanded a license fee for an Open Graph image I used

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post #17

“This undermines the entire point of the open graph protocol (at least for images). If you have to manually review every image that you include then what's the point in it being a machine protocol?” Bingo. Ianal but it feels like if you provide an image via an open graph link, you’re implicitly licensing that image to consumers of the Open Graph protocol to be displayed alongside a link/link metadata. If the media co…

Wonder if it was like that law firm that Ars Technica wrote about[0], that seeded porn videos, then went after people who downloaded them. Things did not end well, for that lot. [0] https://arstechnica.com/tag/prenda-law/

Prenda Law. They ended up disbarred and in jail eventually. But it took a Federal Judge calling bullshit in open court and making personal referrals to the IRS, the DOJ, and the various State Bar Associations.

Re: A media company demanded a license fee for an Open Graph image I used

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I guess the big question for me here is - what is the state of stuff like "implied licenses" in Britain?

There's no implied license because the news site that told them to use the image — through the OpenGraph protocol — is (supposedly) not the rights holder.

Re: A media company demanded a license fee for an Open Graph image I used

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The newspaper distributed the image. They said, "Here, use this image on the link to our story". They effectively sub-licensed it. If the 'owner' had a problem with that, they needed to take it up with the newspaper. As such, the OP was under the impression the image was free to use in that context. Only once they were informed that was not the case did they become libel. They could have then licensed the photo for t…

> The OP had no intent to offend and shouldn't have paid That can't be how it works. The OP had a responsibility to check the that images that the OP published were adequately licensed. The rights holder makes a claim against the publisher (the OP), and the publisher can make a claim against their supplier (the newspaper.) The judge would then divide the amount of responsibility between the two in some proportion.

> The OP had a responsibility to check

Only within reason. The archive was published in bulk. I don't think there's any expectation every single post in an archive is checked prior to publication.

But more than that, even had the author explicitly checked the thumbnail had been provided by the original publisher via Open Graph. Effectively the original publisher publicly provided this image and suggested that people use it in this manner. There was no realistic way for the author to become aware that the copyright owner did not consent to this use until receiving the notice.

Re: A media company demanded a license fee for an Open Graph image I used

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Perhaps we should start naming the companies/individuals that image licenses are purchased from, as well as the license type, so that people will be better informed about the sourcing of images. I feel like we should be allowed to know who is being aggressive towards consumers.

Re: A media company demanded a license fee for an Open Graph image I used

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post #38

This is probably CopyTrack. They have hidden 1px tracker jnside email. These are extortion tactics. I dealt with them before. Just ignore them and stop opening email. They asked 800 euro for 2 small images. Since a OP is in UK the tought they can do triple price.

They don't see if you open your email or even if you download and open the attachments, at least in any sane email client. If your email client sends reading information back then you should replace it instead of not clicking on emails.
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