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AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]
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Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or maybe we should give the author the benefit of the doubt and assume he's unhappy with both radical ends of the spectrum, which would be a refreshing take in 2025 to be honest. I don't really agree with the general argument, though. I don't think painting this as an "AI Slop" issue is fair. Online communities are quicker (and quieter!) when dismissing obvious AI Slop than when dismissing legitimate discourse that l…
> he's unhappy with both radical ends of the spectrum Seems to be very hard to realize that in the US. But from the outside, both ends are batshit insane.
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Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]
#43While it would have been a better paper if the author collaborated with a sociologist, it would have also be less likely to be taken seriously by the HN for the same class anxieties that its title is founded on.
Excuse us for expecting evidence and intellectual rigour. :D
I've taken a number of university Sociology courses and from those experiences I came to the opinion that Sociology's current iteration is really just grievance airing in an academic tone. It doesn't really justify it's own existence outside of being a Buzzfeed for academics.
I'm not even talking about slightly more rigorous subjects such as Psychology or Political Science, which modern Sociology uses as a shield for the lack of a feedback mechanism.
Don't get me wrong though, I realise this is an opinion formed from my admittedly limited exposure to Sociology (~3 semesters). It could have also been the university I went to particularly leaned on "grievance airing".
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#44Reading this makes me understand why there is a political movement to defund universities.
It makes me sick to my heart to think that money is stolen from my pocket to be given to lunatics of this kind.
Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]
#45Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or maybe we should give the author the benefit of the doubt and assume he's unhappy with both radical ends of the spectrum, which would be a refreshing take in 2025 to be honest. I don't really agree with the general argument, though. I don't think painting this as an "AI Slop" issue is fair. Online communities are quicker (and quieter!) when dismissing obvious AI Slop than when dismissing legitimate discourse that l…
> he's unhappy with both radical ends of the spectrum Seems to be very hard to realize that in the US. But from the outside, both ends are batshit insane.
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Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]
#47Sarkar argues that “AI shaming arises from a class anxiety induced in middle class knowledge workers, and is a form of boundary work to maintain class solidarity and limit mobility into knowledge work.” I think there is at least some truth to this. Another possible cause of AI shaming is that reading AI writing feels like a waste of time. If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it and pro…
This latter piece is something I am struggling with. I have spent 10+ years working on teams that are primarily composed of people whose first language is not English in workplaces where English is the mandated business language. Ever since the earliest LLMs started appearing, the written communication of non-native speakers has become a lot clearer from a grammatical point of view, but also a lot more florid and pre…
It is normal, you add a layer between the two brains that communicate, and that layer only add statistical experience to the message.
I write letters to my gf, in English, while English is not our first language. I would never ever put an LLM between us: this would fall flat, remove who we are, be a mess of cultural references, it would just not be interesting to read, even if maybe we could make it sound more native, in the style of Barack Obama or Prince Charles...
LLMs are going to make people as dumb as GPS made them. Except really, when reading a map was not very useful a skill, writing what you feel... should be.
Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]
#48This paper presents an elaborate straw-man argument. It does not faithfully represent the legitimate concerns of reasonable people about the persistent and irresponsible application of AI in knowledge work. Generative AI produces work that is voluminous and difficult to check. It presents such challenges to people who apply it that they, in practice, do not adequately validate the output. The users of this technology…
Additionally their use of the term "slur" for what is frequently a valid criticism seems questionable.
It is itself a form of bullying.
Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]
#49Sarkar argues that “AI shaming arises from a class anxiety induced in middle class knowledge workers, and is a form of boundary work to maintain class solidarity and limit mobility into knowledge work.” I think there is at least some truth to this. Another possible cause of AI shaming is that reading AI writing feels like a waste of time. If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it and pro…
> If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it
There is an argument that luxury stuff is valuable because typically it's hand made, and in a sense, what you are buying is not the item itself, but the untold hours "wasted" creating that item for your own exclusive use. In a sense "renting a slave" - you have control over another human's time, and this is a power trip.
You have expressed it perfectly: "I don't care about the writing itself, I care about how much effort a human put into it"