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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by petre »

Hypergraphe wrote: post #12
duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

I don't think it is a matter of really understanding the tech. It has to do more about how you envision the society regarding privacy and individual rights. It is indeed a political point of view on how much you want to control everything.

Larry Wllison is advocating the same invasion if privacy mechanisms or worse and he clearly understands the tech.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by patrickmcnamara »

pyrale wrote: post #25
setgree wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is explicitly about how J.D. Vance (age 40) & others at the White House are forcefully advocating for preserving E2E encryption. Arguably not for the right reasons, but still. I'm not sure what you mean by "more" but what you are asking for is in fact happening.

They are forcefully pushing for whatever the position of US companies is in conflicts between US companies and EU regulators. The position of the US executive on encryption is well summarized by the Lavabit case.

The UK is not in the EU.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by GeekyBear »

pyrale wrote: post #25
setgree wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is explicitly about how J.D. Vance (age 40) & others at the White House are forcefully advocating for preserving E2E encryption. Arguably not for the right reasons, but still. I'm not sure what you mean by "more" but what you are asking for is in fact happening.

They are forcefully pushing for whatever the position of US companies is in conflicts between US companies and EU regulators. The position of the US executive on encryption is well summarized by the Lavabit case.

The U.S. also attempted to force Apple to add a back door just a decade ago.

> Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, which has been ordered to help the F.B.I. get into the cell phone of the San Bernardino shooters, wrote in an angry open letter this week that "the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create." The second part of that formulation has rightly received a great deal of attention: Should a back door be built into devices that are used for encrypted communications?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/a-dangerous-all-...

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

wkat4242 wrote: post #38
scarface_74 wrote: post #26

I’m by no means a Trump fan. But I thought it was negligent how the Biden administration didn’t fight for American tech companies internationally and how the prior administration was actively hostile to them. Then people wonder why tech embraced Trump.

Trump will do a lot more harm to US tech companies than Biden. A lot of us here in Europe are moving away from US tech, and as we are building more of our own it's very unlikely we will come back. Right now there aren't too many EU alternatives yet which is why you don't really notice yet. But the damaged trust in the US as a 'partner' will outlive Trump for decades. As they say "trust arrives on foot and leaves on h…

Just seems very unrealistic wishful thinking that Europe would suddenly become good at these kinds of software after spending the last few decades being bad at it.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by kstrauser »

lenerdenator wrote: post #19
xhkkffbf wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem to me like the US Vice President is advancing a pretty tech savvy policy. He's pushing for privacy. Am I missing something?

He's associated with Palantir. He can't be pushing for privacy.

Sure he can. In an ideal world (from the US gov't's perspective), all communications everywhere would be encrypted, and only they'd have the workarounds to access the data anyway.

I'm not being sarcastic. For real, what major government wouldn't want that in their favor?

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by scarface_74 »

duxup wrote: post #36
scarface_74 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Palantir is a private company and shouldn’t have access to government data, why shouldn’t in theory all government data be accessible to the government? DOGE is clearly operating illegally for other reasons - not distributions funds that were appropriated by Congress for instance. But data sharing isn’t the root issue. It’s spineless Republicans in Congress and a sycophantic Supreme Court. And it’s possible to…

I feel like you answered much of your own questions. Beyond that many of the departments that this data is being extracted from have rules about who can access (no not everyone in the IRS has free reign) and what they can do with it. For good reason, IRS's job is to focus on what the law says they should do, not say punish political enemies and so on. But transfer it to DODGE, ICE, Palantir, there are no laws at all…

The problem is the laws - not the data sharing.

In some countries, tax data is available to everyone. Norway, Finland and Sweden in particular. There may be others

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by fyrn_ »

duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

Part of that is US policy makers have barely changed, they are just older now. Very troubling trend that.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by reactordev »

GeekyBear wrote: post #43
pyrale wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are forcefully pushing for whatever the position of US companies is in conflicts between US companies and EU regulators. The position of the US executive on encryption is well summarized by the Lavabit case.

The U.S. also attempted to force Apple to add a back door just a decade ago. > Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, which has been ordered to help the F.B.I. get into the cell phone of the San Bernardino shooters, wrote in an angry open letter this week that "the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create." The second part of that formulation has righ…

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by Zak »

pyrale wrote: post #25
setgree wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is explicitly about how J.D. Vance (age 40) & others at the White House are forcefully advocating for preserving E2E encryption. Arguably not for the right reasons, but still. I'm not sure what you mean by "more" but what you are asking for is in fact happening.

They are forcefully pushing for whatever the position of US companies is in conflicts between US companies and EU regulators. The position of the US executive on encryption is well summarized by the Lavabit case.

The position of the US executive on encryption can easily shift depending on who holds the presidency and certain cabinet positions. I'm not sure the Trump administration actually has a coherent position on the subject.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by scarface_74 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #38
scarface_74 wrote: post #26

I’m by no means a Trump fan. But I thought it was negligent how the Biden administration didn’t fight for American tech companies internationally and how the prior administration was actively hostile to them. Then people wonder why tech embraced Trump.

Trump will do a lot more harm to US tech companies than Biden. A lot of us here in Europe are moving away from US tech, and as we are building more of our own it's very unlikely we will come back. Right now there aren't too many EU alternatives yet which is why you don't really notice yet. But the damaged trust in the US as a 'partner' will outlive Trump for decades. As they say "trust arrives on foot and leaves on h…

The EU is not going to build its own Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, AWS etc.

Anytime the lack of “influential European tech companies” come up, the best anyone can do is money losing/barely profitable Spotify.

And the data doesn’t back your idea up that Europe is moving away from any of those companies. The EU is moving its dependence away from the US military industrial complex admittedly.

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