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Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

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Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

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It requires mercury-198 as an input. The only quote I could find for mercury-198 is about $15K per milligram. So now we just need to figure out how to make mercury-198 cheaply.

That's even better! We can turn gold into mercury-198 and sell that. Gold is dirt cheap at $0.11 per mg. We're rich!

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#42

It requires mercury-198 as an input. The only quote I could find for mercury-198 is about $15K per milligram. So now we just need to figure out how to make mercury-198 cheaply.

There are 7 stable isotopes of mercury, and mercury-198 makes up ~10% of naturally occurring mercury. The paper covers a lot of ground here, see section 5.2.2 "Mercury Isotope Separation", where they are shooting for $2.4/kg.

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#43
Actual industrial/product use of gold is less than 10%. A massive amount of gold is used for store of wealth. If gold became less scarce, it would be less expensive.

The Washington monument capstone is aluminum because aluminum was expensive in 1884. Now we make beverage containers out of aluminum. (note: I have no intention of using gold for beverage containers... I like my skin not blue)

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#44

It requires mercury-198 as an input. The only quote I could find for mercury-198 is about $15K per milligram. So now we just need to figure out how to make mercury-198 cheaply.

It's the second lightest natural isotope of mercury, comprising about 10% of natural mercury:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_mercury

Since mercury forms vapor so easily, it should be easily enriched in gas centrifuges like uranium (more easily, actually, since the starting isotopic abundance is higher and the chemistry is simpler). The high price of purified mercury-198 at present is probably due to it being a scientific curiosity with no industrial demand.

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#45

> previously a […] PhD candidate in Plasma Physics at Princeton University The advice is generally not to advertise yourself as having been a PhD candidate: you're basically advertising that you couldn't complete a PhD. (Insert obligatory caveats about academia having problems, and failure to complete a PhD not implying that somebody is incapable.)

During my research internship, I met many PhD students whose labs simply ran out of funding. In some cases, they'd ended up having to scrap their PhD as the topic was too specialist to do anywhere else (e.g. requires a high level of biocontainment) and nobody wanted to fund it.

I think if you got three years into a PhD and were faced with the prospect of starting it all over again in another lab, it wouldn't take much to convince you to throw in the towel and do something else instead.

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

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post #43

Actual industrial/product use of gold is less than 10%. A massive amount of gold is used for store of wealth. If gold became less scarce, it would be less expensive. The Washington monument capstone is aluminum because aluminum was expensive in 1884. Now we make beverage containers out of aluminum. (note: I have no intention of using gold for beverage containers... I like my skin not blue )

> I like my skin not blue

Isn't that problem just with silver, not gold?

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gold is a byproduct of generating the electricity. You still get to sell the electricity too.

Gold is atomically heavier than iron, fusing gold costs energy. The language in the article is ambiguous, but I believe the energy quoted is a cost.

They are engineering their tritium breeding to produce excess neutrons to transmute the mercury to gold.

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

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post #43

Actual industrial/product use of gold is less than 10%. A massive amount of gold is used for store of wealth. If gold became less scarce, it would be less expensive. The Washington monument capstone is aluminum because aluminum was expensive in 1884. Now we make beverage containers out of aluminum. (note: I have no intention of using gold for beverage containers... I like my skin not blue )

> (note: I have no intention of using gold for beverage containers... I like my skin not blue)

I thought gold was biologically inert. Any chance you’re thinking of argyria, which is caused by exposure to elemental silver?

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gold is atomically heavier than iron, fusing gold costs energy. The language in the article is ambiguous, but I believe the energy quoted is a cost.

It's produced from mercury

Right, fusion stops being a net producer of energy on atoms heavier than iron.

A star’s fusion reaction ceases when too much of its core turns to iron.

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#50

It requires mercury-198 as an input. The only quote I could find for mercury-198 is about $15K per milligram. So now we just need to figure out how to make mercury-198 cheaply.

It's 10% of natural mercury. you're looking into separating it cheaply instead, or at least hope the other naturally occuring isotopes don't cause too many problems.
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