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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

burkaman wrote: post #4
hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

Not in the future, these tools and policies are already used against everyone right now. Plenty of Trump supporters have already been arrested and/or deported by ICE.

I assume you are talking about Hispanic Trump supporters because ICE definitely hasn't deported your middle of America white Trump supporter.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by marcianx »

hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

To add to it, I crossed the border into the US via train recently, and for the first time (I've done this trip many, many times) they took my photo on their cell phone after scanning my paperwork, as they did with everyone else. So they are further expanding with more/recent data.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

mikece wrote: post #9
miohtama wrote: post #5

Peter Thiel must be doing Mr Burns laugh on this one

No... he'll do that if/when his acolyte steps up from VPOTUS to POTUS.

I keep trying to tell people that the US is over when JD Vance becomes POTUS next year because they will attempt to get him behind the desk before the election.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by SoftTalker »

cyral wrote: post #22
hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

> If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need to hand over your passport: they just scan your face now. It's always amazed me how well this works when they are scanning you with the same 2015-era cheap logitech camera I have.

They already know you’re coming in and on which flight so that really narrows it down. I didn’t think faces were that unique and that they were matching on the subset of people they were expecting at that time. Perhaps the technology is better than I thought.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by amy214 »

hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

It's like this

>go take a flight >demand your photo be taken >"as far as I know it's mandatory" >"I assure you the image is deleted" >"fingerprints derived from the image, what are those" Thanks TSA for logging the facial parameters of 200 million citizens, I'm sure that invasion of privacy helped your basic mission, to screen passengers for planes

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by epakai »

ta8645 wrote: post #30
hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by snypher »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #38
dyauspitr wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By “pretty unpopular” you mean lip service while they vote for the same cretins that are doing this next cycle.

No politician 100% aligns with everything you believe in. I voted for Obama twice and he certainly disappointed in several ways. But voting for the other guy would have been more disappointing.

Imagine if we had more than two choices. I have no idea how to make that happen, but it seems like it needs to.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by terminalshort »

dmix wrote: post #40
mbostleman wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sweeping away due process for mass deportation…> This is pretty off topic obviously but I see this due process claim a lot and I am assuming I’m missing some kind of fundamental legal concepts. And that wouldn’t be surprising because I have no legal background. If a person is not a citizen, and they’ve overstayed whatever limit there is to staying while not being a citizen, and if the action taken is to remove the…

US Supreme court has ruled there is due process for illegal immigrants and reaffirmed it in various case law since immigration law became a thing over a century ago. The US was founded on natural rights principals which apply to every person in the country, not just citizens. The right to due process is not something congress can touch via new immigration laws even if they wanted (absent maybe a constitutional amendm…

They are entitled to exactly the same due process as anyone else charged with the same crime, but what the particular due process is for a particular crime or civil proceeding can be changed.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

axus wrote: post #32
hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

In theory, a law could be proposed at any time, voted on soon after, and the Executive branch should have to follow it.

Yes, that is the trend of the United States: the Executive branch listening to the Legislative.

Consider now that precedents for the Judicial being ignored are well underway.

We have an incompetent authoritarian in office right now. A mere slice of competence and we'd already be worse-than-1984.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by malcolmgreaves »

mbostleman wrote: post #39
dragonwriter wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. Both (sweeping away due process for mass deportation, and eliminating restrictions on law enforcement and surveillance in the name of “law and order” generally) were both major promises of Trump’s 2024 campaign and things that he made steps toward limited b…

> sweeping away due process for mass deportation…> This is pretty off topic obviously but I see this due process claim a lot and I am assuming I’m missing some kind of fundamental legal concepts. And that wouldn’t be surprising because I have no legal background. If a person is not a citizen, and they’ve overstayed whatever limit there is to staying while not being a citizen, and if the action taken is to remove the…

The government has to prove in court what they claim. That’s due process for deportation.

And to be blunt, immigration court is already played loose and fast by the government. It’s a civil proceeding, so the accused is not provided a lawyer for free. They don’t always make sure they explain what’s happening to the person in a language that they understand. So the government often gets what it wants when it goes to immigration court.

The Republicans not following the law is the point.

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