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Re: FDA Authorizes Juul E-Cigarettes

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Post by 827a »

evanjrowley wrote: post #8
whycome wrote: post #3

> ~ Original and Menthol I'll never understand why adults partaking in a particular vice can't enjoy different flavours (unless the vice is alcohol).

Various U.S. institutions of authority took the position that flavors were not for adults, but instead, a strategy to attract minors. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/e-cigarettes/why-youth-vape.html https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/ctp-newsroom/misleading... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6663555/ https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2018/05/... https://www.drugs.com/news/study-finds-powerful…

No, they took the stance that this crusade against good flavors should specifically and only apply to Juul. Maybe deservedly given Juul's behavior in marketing to teenagers. Today, you can go to gas stations in most states and buy Cherry Ice Lemonade Cotton Candy Mr Fog vapes, or Geekbars, or whatever brand shipped straight from China is popular this month. To be honest, even if Juul were allowed to bring Mango back, I'm not sure anyone would buy it; compared to the actual desserts you can smoke today, Juul Mango doesn't hold a candle.

In other words: Our government utterly decimated an American company just to make room in the market for Chinese competitors to dominate.

Re: FDA Authorizes Juul E-Cigarettes

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Post by jjice »

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 wrote: post #27
jjice wrote: post #26

Let me preface by saying that I'm not a fan of the evolution of e-cigs since they ended up being more of an entry point than a transition out of nicotine. Probably half of my friends started by vaping and moved to cigarettes. That said, tons of other vapes are allowed on the market, so why should Juul specifically be banned?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juul#US_Food_and_Drug_Administ...

Ah, marketing and design. That's fair. I appreciate the link.

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Post by doctorpangloss »

jjice wrote: post #12
doctorpangloss wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alcohol is no exception, Fourloco was banned!

I believe that was for the high alcohol content mixed with the high caffeine content

the point is that as far as they are permitted to be sold and consumed with regulations for largely cultural reasons, alcohol and tobacco are both subject to cultural (fluid) regulations, and inconsistencies between them are a matter of the speed and power of diffuse cultural forces, not some sort of big conspiracy against libertarians

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Post by Freak_NL »

whycome wrote: post #32
Freak_NL wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Netherlands the scientific Trimbos Institute has been reporting this based on their regular demographic research polls, but health care professionals are drawing this conclusion too. Near the end of high school vaping is something the kids do. To be really cool, you gotta smoke — and as this group of unfortunate kids is already addicted to nicotine…

You're saying they leave high school and because they vaped they will switch to smoked tobacco?

No, what is reported is that older high school kids who vape take up smoking tobacco because vaping is perceived as childish by that time.

This is from a Dutch newspaper article interviewing one of the researchers from the Trimbos Institute:

> De overstap naar sigaretten met tabak is vervolgens snel gemaakt, zegt Croes. „We horen ook dat de jonkies op het schoolplein vapen, maar dat in de bovenbouw niet meer stoer vinden. Dan gaan ze roken, wat in hun ogen nu weer een positief imago heeft gekregen.” Zo vormen e-sigaretten volgens haar een „enorme tegenkracht” voor campagnes die jongeren van roken moeten weerhouden.¹

(Tobacco) smoking is cool again. The young kids vape, so to be really cool and adult…

1: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2024/10/01/beginnen-met-een-sigare...

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

whycome wrote: post #3

> ~ Original and Menthol I'll never understand why adults partaking in a particular vice can't enjoy different flavours (unless the vice is alcohol).

Rules around fruity flavors (trying to target sales that disproportionately go to kids) are one thing. Rules around menthol are another, only slightly less heinous thing.

About 85% of African Americans who smoke use menthol cigarettes, compared to a rate of less than 30% menthol use among white Americans. [1] They're disproportionately advertised and were (in the past) literally given away in poor Black communities to get people addicted.

Basically, policy makers can target their regulations to a specific group by specifying flavor. Sure, an individual white adult might like fruity flavors or menthols, a black adult might like originals, and some kids might prefer original or menthols, but there's a strong statistical bias.

When health departments are trying to address a particular health concern - say, young children smoking - they can do so by targeting fruity flavors. Conversely, when tobacco company marketing departments are trying to advertise their products to Black users without drawing unwanted attention from disproportionately white regulators, they can achieve their goals by promoting menthols. An individual from any population might have any flavor preference, but the dice are shockingly heavily weighted when you're looking at large groups.

[1]: https://datatools.samhsa.gov/das/nsduh/2019/nsduh-2019-ds000...

Re: FDA Authorizes Juul E-Cigarettes

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Post by [deleted] »

Freak_NL wrote: post #7
whycome wrote: post #3

> ~ Original and Menthol I'll never understand why adults partaking in a particular vice can't enjoy different flavours (unless the vice is alcohol).

Do you mean why vapes aren't allowed to be sold in exciting flavours in a lot of countries? Because what happened there was that 'strawberry kiwi', 'banana ice', and 'miami mint', and whatever fruity flavour in a colourful package you can come up with, turned vaping from something adults did to quit smoking tobacco into the biggest hype amongst teenagers since fidget spinners. Only they get addicted to nicotine as a…

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Re: FDA Authorizes Juul E-Cigarettes

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Post by dmix »

evanjrowley wrote: post #8
whycome wrote: post #3

> ~ Original and Menthol I'll never understand why adults partaking in a particular vice can't enjoy different flavours (unless the vice is alcohol).

Various U.S. institutions of authority took the position that flavors were not for adults, but instead, a strategy to attract minors. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/e-cigarettes/why-youth-vape.html https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/ctp-newsroom/misleading... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6663555/ https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2018/05/... https://www.drugs.com/news/study-finds-powerful…

Alcohol comes in fruit flavours too, no respectable adult would drink a cocktail cooler, so it's safer to protect the kids and ban them.

Re: FDA Authorizes Juul E-Cigarettes

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Post by jajuuka »

whycome wrote: post #3

> ~ Original and Menthol I'll never understand why adults partaking in a particular vice can't enjoy different flavours (unless the vice is alcohol).

Because of the belief that making them desirable to adults is a method to sell them to kids. It also makes them less desirable which keeps cigarette sales up. Tobacco lobby is still going strong with its influence.
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