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Re: YHackers: Click that "New" link

#41
post #39

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I really like this idea to put a number next to new, making it feel like an inbox. People will end up clicking it based on their need to "empty the inbox" built up from email management.

DEAR GOD NO! Please don't do this, most of us already have enough inboxes. The only thing I like about non-time-series sites like HN is that it just isn't in their nature to ever be something inbox-like. It's the sole saving grace of having a voting system, especially with vote-ranked threaded discussion -- it keeps it from ever being something I have to "catch up with" regularly.

An actual inbox requires many clicks to clear all unreads, assuming you actually read them. What I'm proposing clears all unreads with one click.

Alternatively, just have an asterisk to indicate that there are new submissions you haven't checked out yet:

  new* | threads | comments | leaders | jobs | submit
That's probably the most minimalist incentive you can give to increase New pageviews, and fairly easy to implement. (Edit: updated the original post with this suggestion.)

Re: YHackers: Click that "New" link

#42
post #33

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or a little DSL for us to specify what we wanted on our homepage. (def homepage (page (top 10) (newest 5)))

I'm planning to start letting people use code snippets to customize stuff, actually.

Can we customize the ranking algorithm? Pretty please?

Re: YHackers: Click that "New" link

#43

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or a little DSL for us to specify what we wanted on our homepage. (def homepage (page (top 10) (newest 5)))

No? Not quite what you were looking for?

I prefer:

    

    

Makes it easier to read because Y content is usually skinny and most new screens are wide. :)

edit: but I'm splitting hairs...

Re: YHackers: Click that "New" link

#45

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Now that I think about it, I am pretty sure something like this is possible with some greasemonkey/iframe magic Still not a perfect solution as not everyone will install it - but a decent start eh?

Done! HN Toolkit: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25039 Install and turn on the ' Show new items at bottom of main page? ' option. Let me know if you have problems.

  s{
    var blacklist = GM_getValue('hndomains', '');
  }{
    var blacklist = GM_getValue('hnblacklist', '');
  }x;

Re: YHackers: Click that "New" link

#46

You know, I had a thought about this - why not make it an option to show me the 5 most recent new submissions on the bottom of the index page (e.g., the top 25 plus 5 latest). It's not a perfect solution, but at least I'll be aware it's there. I understand that could lead to some nasty gaming of the system though, just the first idea I thought of.

How about extra karma for the people who take time to up-mod new articles that eventually 'make it'?

Re: YHackers: Click that "New" link

#47
post #32

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That shows you every article that makes the front page, it does not show you articles that people have just submitted. An RSS feed for all submissions might be nice, but refreshing the new page every 30 minutes or so is also sufficient. Since they roll down in order you don't lose your place, but the front page articles "jump" into whatever place the algorithm determines, which is why I prefer to read the front page…

The RSS shows every submission which gets at least one up vote. So most spam doesn't make it to the RSS, but a lot of other cruft can pass through depending on if at least one person liked it. At least, that's how I've seen it play out.

I disagree here Shamiq, from my experience that's not entirely accurate. Typically 4-5 votes makes front page - though yo uare correct, often 2-3 votes is sufficient. Sometimes 2 votes will, but not always - it's more a function (I believe) of how much front page upvoting is going on at the time.

Re: YHackers: Click that "New" link

#48

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Now that I think about it, I am pretty sure something like this is possible with some greasemonkey/iframe magic Still not a perfect solution as not everyone will install it - but a decent start eh?

Done! HN Toolkit: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25039 Install and turn on the ' Show new items at bottom of main page? ' option. Let me know if you have problems.

Cool! I installed it, and selected the option - and nothing happens. I still see 30 items at the bottom

Can you tell me the exact URL that I should be seeing it at? I see toolkit. When I use that I see the search YC buttons etc, but when I select that option specifically, nothing happens.

I am assuming http://news.ycombinator.com/ is the main page you are referring to right?

Edit: SOLVED. http://news.ycombinator.com/news - now all is well! =)

Re: YHackers: Click that "New" link

#49
post #32

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That shows you every article that makes the front page, it does not show you articles that people have just submitted. An RSS feed for all submissions might be nice, but refreshing the new page every 30 minutes or so is also sufficient. Since they roll down in order you don't lose your place, but the front page articles "jump" into whatever place the algorithm determines, which is why I prefer to read the front page…

The RSS shows every submission which gets at least one up vote. So most spam doesn't make it to the RSS, but a lot of other cruft can pass through depending on if at least one person liked it. At least, that's how I've seen it play out.

Thanks for the clear up.

Re: YHackers: Click that "New" link

#50
post #44

If you are on twitter (or use RSS), http://twitter.com/newsycombinator alerts you of the top 5 new stories each hour ("the algorithm is just the top 5 items from the RSS feed every hour" - http://twitter.com/riklomas/status/1093938010 )

This is the top 5 homepage stories from the RSS, not the newest ones

I can happily build another bot for newest stories though, if anyone would be interested...

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