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Junior Roles Aren't Going Away

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Re: Junior Roles Aren't Going Away

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I look at it kind of similarly to what the rise of online poker did for texas hold'em. You had people who spent decades playing in person to learn enough to get to the highest tier, but when online poker came about people were able to play 4+ tables at once basically 24/7 at a higher hourly hand rate per table than was possible in person (let alone having access to analysis tools like Poker Tracker). People were able…

You'll have to forgive me because I know literally nothing about competitive poker. Are there players whose experience is primarily online, who show up at in-person tournaments and lack the "soft skills" necessary to excel in that setting? Preventing themselves from exhibiting tells, etc. I'm not trying to relate this back to the AI/junior/senior developer question, I'm just curious about the dynamic in poker since y…

Yes, online poker players tend to be worse than players that learned in-person. Pros love to play online players in person; they consider it free money.

To put things bluntly: at any tournament, 90% of the players after the first round will be players who learned in-person. Only a handful of online players (like Moneymaker) have made a successful transition to professional poker.

Re: Junior Roles Aren't Going Away

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That is a great example of the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. How exactly are people supposed to reach a senior level if they aren't allowed to be junior developers first?

People have been asking the executive class this for a long while now: why don’t you care about training? Their response has ever been silence or threats or that’s what school is for. Do it on your own time, after the 50+ hours we demand from you. Some places get it and had a proper pipeline to train. A vast majority do not. And now they give us this. Great bunch of folks.

Basically the idea is become a senior at your own expense. Work for years without pay and only then get a job if and only if the new AI models by that time hasn't made mid or senior level engineers redundant as well.

Re: Junior Roles Aren't Going Away

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People have been asking the executive class this for a long while now: why don’t you care about training? Their response has ever been silence or threats or that’s what school is for. Do it on your own time, after the 50+ hours we demand from you. Some places get it and had a proper pipeline to train. A vast majority do not. And now they give us this. Great bunch of folks.

Basically the idea is become a senior at your own expense. Work for years without pay and only then get a job if and only if the new AI models by that time hasn't made mid or senior level engineers redundant as well.

…but how?

If no one will employ you to formally give you a verifiable senior title, how exactly is that supposed to happen?

Re: Junior Roles Aren't Going Away

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically the idea is become a senior at your own expense. Work for years without pay and only then get a job if and only if the new AI models by that time hasn't made mid or senior level engineers redundant as well.

…but how? If no one will employ you to formally give you a verifiable senior title, how exactly is that supposed to happen?

By working for free.

That's basically what this field is turning into.

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