there's still emacs.
vim has even had a command called “:set noai” for decades, which turns off messing with your code!
What’s incredible is even plain vanilla vi has it as well!
Is there a no-AI audience?
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Re: Is there a no-AI audience?
#42I am a Luddite holding on.
1) solving the problem myself is the fun part of the job 2) writing emails or whatever, I want it to be my voice, not some bland average of everything slop 3) I can't sppeell big word because auto-correct does that. I don't want to lose logic and thinking to "auto-think ai™" 4) is the output trustworthy?
For four, imagine some malevolent entity (North Korea or insert whomever you hate) procedurally generates thousands of tutorials (with slight cosmetic variations to trick the crc checks) with unique URLs. The tutorials teach some tricky thing like SSO. The tutorials reference some library (or tricky math heavy function) that has been altered by black hat hackers. The LLM reads all the urls and that affects its output. Then low knowledge "vibe coders" just blindly cut and paste their way to victory. voila, security nightmare.
It doesn't have to be code, it could be insults to political leaders (some emphasized, some excepted). Political policies. LLM lose money so start to sell out to advertisers (you pay, we push your product).
When I am procrastinating on other sites, you see it everywhere. Someone posts something the first comment is "grok explain the post." Its worse than orwellian, they had only the 5-minutes of hate monitoring. People are offloading their thinking to a handful of companies. Also, people apparently really open to the pseudo humans, will those personal private thoughts be resold to make up for cash burn?
I pretty sure I will lose, but, its worth a shot.
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#43I work in decompiling and reverse engineering. One of the important aspects from a legal liability perspective I that anything I produce and share should be a new creative work and not merely a mechanical transformation. I’ve avoided anything with LLMs related to those projects.
I have asked for help on some other projects where I got stuck and thought I’d give it a try. The LLM hallucinated and answer, but then admitted it was wrong when i pointed out the mistake and didn’t help me get any further.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also synonymous with bad art, bad writing, climate irresponsibility, and hallucination. The problem is, people want to do the least amount of work possible and go home at 5, so they're all too happy to use the tech that their employer is forcing down their throats.
If you think AI art/writing is bad, you should have seen what the people who produced it were producing before.
I don't think "AI" will either improve or worsen your average tv series.
The question is, will the samey bland series peddlers pass the cost savings on to whoever likes that kind of stuff?
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#45I have been working on this idea of a curators only social media. where instead of algorithms delivering you content, you follow people whose taste you appreciate. The original idea came from having your own "tv station". If you think about what cable tv is, it's basically a 24 hour block that the station manager could decide what to put on. Station managers with good taste (and perhaps deep pockets) could put on con…
...i dont think adding 'manage a tv station' to my day to day is going to help me be more social or help anyone i share it with.
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#46In my opinion the separation isn’t between AI vs. not. It’s between software that is restrained and well reasoned in their development vs. software that sticks unnecessary features in without enough testing that creates bugs and pushes useful UI features into a submenu. Software that updates just so they can sell a new version and get a product manager a promotion almost always sucks. This is conflated right now with…
And let me continue my rant: pricing these things suck. You can charge $20-25 monthly for a general AI service like ChatGPT that has a bunch of features like image generation and is very versatile. You can’t cram a shitty feature into your single-application software and charge the same amount. If a PM thinks this is appropriate pricing they are insane.
Additionally, I said previously that I want to be able to ignore the features I don’t use. If you only have one premium tier, and the price went from $5/month to $20+ monthly because you added AI, then I’m probably cancelling because I have to now decide if the features I do actually use are worth the extra money. Plus, companies that do AI this way will inevitably restrict my usage if I do fine the feature useful.
So I guess if I had the choice, I would prefer a company keep a lower premium tier even if I have no access to AI features. But what I would really like is an option to enable whatever AI you’ve developed and bring my own API key, and don’t change your premium tier pricing (or minimally change). But clearly there are enough people out there that are shelling out for the shitty $20+ monthly subscriptions (or getting their company to pay for it) that my opinion doesn’t matter.
Re: Is there a no-AI audience?
#47As more waves of layoffs happen due to AI, there will likely be a growing market for "No AI" products, especially given how nasty some of the C suite are being about that short-sighted "unemploying humanity" objective they are being explicit about.
I recently confirmed that people have been fired this year for not using AI products in their work. The exec's reasoning: it's like hiring a carpenter that refuses to use power tools. Never mind that the analogy makes little sense. We're not in the realm of enhancing labour power with additional tools to make us more productive. We're deep into alienation and exploitation. All of this added productivity and you'll co…
I’ve said it elsewhere, but the lack of dignity we have in our profession has never been more apparent.
Tech still is rife with temporarily not-yet-founders who cling to not rocking the boat.
What do you do when the boat capsizes?
Re: Is there a no-AI audience?
#48I am a Luddite holding on. 1) solving the problem myself is the fun part of the job 2) writing emails or whatever, I want it to be my voice, not some bland average of everything slop 3) I can't sppeell big word because auto-correct does that. I don't want to lose logic and thinking to "auto-think ai™" 4) is the output trustworthy? For four, imagine some malevolent entity (North Korea or insert whomever you hate) proc…
> writing emails or whatever, I want it to be my voice
Right?!
One of the ads I saw for AI assisted comms recently was an example of making copy for a newsletter for a cupcake shop, who have a new flavour. You tell it that and it spins a whole newsletter for you.
All this tells me is that the information content of your letter is utterly trivial. I don’t want that newsletter.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't Emacs come out of MIT's AI Lab? The irony is delightful.
Was in the middle of writing something like this comment already. Heh, definitely something a bit ironic seeing multiple comments claiming an editor written in Lisp and descended from an AI lab as being ai-free. It's probably one of the most user-customizable environments around for building user-centric AI tool integrations.
Maybe people mean GenAI. Back then, AI meant stuff like computer algebra systems like Macsyma which produce deterministic, provably correct results. I'm totally OK with that kind of AI. What I don't like are probabilistic text generators getting shoved into absolutely everything.