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That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

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Re: That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

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I once shouted into the phone while on a call with a helpline person. They screwed me over with an invoice that looked like a contract extension (domain, hosting), but turned out was an invoice for a separate, second contract for services I don’t need, nor I didn’t order (antivirus for an e-mail, a paid SSL certificate). A pretty blatant phishing-alike fraud. Later I found it’s their MO. When the person told me that…

No, you're right. If it helps put pressure it's ok. It will also help the agent you talked to convince their supervisor to help you out. Because they can say you were irate and that does tend to move the needle a bit, even with very bad companies. Nobody likes getting an email from the CEO asking what the hell all this ruckus is about.

I worked as an agent for a while at the start of my career and I got this too. I didn't take it personally. You learn to do that pretty quickly, if not it's not the job for you. After all they're not angry with you but with the company.

Luckily the company I worked for were not bastards so anything we could do to make the customers' lives better was appreciated. But sometimes someone fell through the cracks as does tend to happen. Devices out of warranty, customer dissatisfied etc. It is what it is.

Re: That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

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I once had a car rental company hang up on me multiple times while trying to resolve multiple screw ups on their end. It took 6 hours to return their wreck to them at the beginning of a trip. I was polite until the last call. Screaming at the last (innocent) rep about the repeated hang ups was the only way to get them to not hang up and actually address the issue. I was very tempted to just issue a chargeback and aba…

> apparently it’s now standard practice for rental car companies to falsely accuse customers of stealing their cars. Just take photos and evidence and sue them? That's gotta be lots of free money for you

A lot bigger PITA to do with a warrant for arrest or from jail.

Just because there is a legal recourse and you're innocent, doesn't mean it's not awful to experience. We need more good-faith actors instead of assuming we'll be made-whole via a painful legal process.

Re: That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

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I wonder if the coming AI Customer Service chatbots will be programmed with “sludge” as part of their operating procedure or can we expect an Asimov-like set of ethics from it where it will optimize to be as helpful to the best extent possible. Software does not need an attitude and it won’t get tired either.

Even worse: I got a sales call from Backblaze a few weeks ago that was an AI voice agent. It seemed super suspicious the way it was talking, so I asked it directly if it was an AI, and it then said yes. I asked it to talk to a real person: a manager, legal, or compliance employee and it hung up on me

That is an illicit robocall, and you can pursue Backblaze under the Telephone Consumer Protection Act. I would recommend filing a small claims court case, there is no gray zone for Backblaze to be making AI robocalls in.

Re: That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

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I avoid situations like this as if it was the plague but a long time ago I dealt with it for both myself and others who lost the will to deal with it. This included both commercial and government entities. I never raised my voice, I simply made it abundantly clear that I had a nearly infinite appetite for being litigious in a very public manner if they did not immediately address the issue at hand in good faith. It w…

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Re: That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

#46
Dropping call is bad, making you wait longer than necessary is also bad. But what's worse is simply having no phone call option at all.

Just like Autodesk[0], you might think that a company that pulls in USD 1.64 billion[1] can afford a decent support line, but that's simply not happening. Even their community forum[2] is stuffed by .... unpaid volunteers. Autodesk employees hardly frequent there.

[0]: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/autocad-forum/phone-number-to...

[1]: https://investors.autodesk.com/news-releases/news-release-de...

[2]: https://forums.autodesk.com/

Re: That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So there’s even less accountability?

How does this result in less accountability, if for the AI agent to even have a chance to work properly it would basically need to save all of the calls, emails and other information in a persistent way, where it doesn't matter if it's hours or months since the last 'update'? Just to be clear, this AI agent would be in the customer's control, nothing to do with whatever company it's dealing with.

> this AI agent would be in the customer's control

I misunderstood. In this case the AI can operate with the same limitations I can. It can save me some time when the interaction already had a good chance of success. But I can't see how an AI agent prevents the line from "accidentally" being disconnected, or being put in call waiting hell, or just having to talk to another AI in an endless loop (e.g. Google or Facebook's support).

Re: That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

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I've found that more and more customer support things are being automated to prevent you from actually talking to a human at all, and quite often these tools don't work in any meaningful way. They'll misunderstand, redirect, ignore, or otherwise tell you that it can't help you. Couple this with anything outside of the straight-forward flow of common issues and you're stuck in a loop of insanity.

Dealing with Uber Eats' support is fine when it works and your case is typical - missing food item? Okay, they refund you. Your driver hasn't arrived in over two hours and you don't want to eat cold and potentially mishandled food? Tough shit, you can't cancel that order because it's in progress and will have to pay for the order if you try.

This sort of thing has become more and more prevalent to the point where I actively avoid using companies' products that I know are user-hostile. Unfortunately, Uber/Uber Eats are the safest choice where I live, so you can only really do so when there is the luxury of choice.

Similar to the Walmart example in the article; if Walmart is the cheapest, closest, or otherwise most-convenient, you'll complain about Walmart inside Walmart but still keep going back because the effort required to switch is greater than dealing with random frustrations.

I sort of end up becoming more persistent and escalatory when confronted with these sorts of walls. I've noticed that Uber Eats support is magically better when you use very negative language because I assume their systems detect the sentiment in your language and perhaps escalate better to avoid losing a customer. It's stupid but it works, and feels bad to use, but fortunately doesn't happen often.

If a company only escalates when customers are frustrated to the point of borderline-abuse of a representative, they're pretty much enforcing the abuse and negatively affecting the health of their employees on purpose. It's very difficult to remain completely calm and level-headed after weeks of dead ends and absurdity.

Re: That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this result in less accountability, if for the AI agent to even have a chance to work properly it would basically need to save all of the calls, emails and other information in a persistent way, where it doesn't matter if it's hours or months since the last 'update'? Just to be clear, this AI agent would be in the customer's control, nothing to do with whatever company it's dealing with.

> this AI agent would be in the customer's control I misunderstood. In this case the AI can operate with the same limitations I can. It can save me some time when the interaction already had a good chance of success. But I can't see how an AI agent prevents the line from "accidentally" being disconnected, or being put in call waiting hell, or just having to talk to another AI in an endless loop (e.g. Google or Facebo…

True, it can't be saved from that at all. But it can still automatically keep a log of the whole process, instead of you having to do it manually, so it's easier to keep track what's going on for you as well. The AI agent can just automatically call back and wait for arbitrary amounts of time, as the assumption would be it has its own virtual phone number that can just keep chugging along without clogging up your actual phone.

If a company is essentially refusing to give customer service by hanging up or trapping callers in infinite loops, it's good to at least have a log of the whole process, without the customer having to risk their own sanity.

Re: That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose

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post #48

I've found that more and more customer support things are being automated to prevent you from actually talking to a human at all, and quite often these tools don't work in any meaningful way. They'll misunderstand, redirect, ignore, or otherwise tell you that it can't help you. Couple this with anything outside of the straight-forward flow of common issues and you're stuck in a loop of insanity. Dealing with Uber Eat…

I had to call a credit card company about an issue, and of course I have to talk to their automated assistant first. It was a problem it couldn't help me with, but when I tried to get to a live person it replied with "I can connect you, but they're just going to send you back to me. Are you sure you want to wait in the queue?" I was flabbergasted.

I did wait, and got a live person. They did some checking, said they fixed the issue, but "it might take 24-48 hours to appear on your account." Of course, several days later the issue was still not resolved, and now I have to call back.

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