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Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

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If anyone wants to try / use IPv6, but their ISP does not provide it, Hurricane Electric (HE) has offered a tunnel service for many years now: * https://tunnelbroker.net * https://ipv6.he.net There are scrips available to bring up a tun device on your system (or router) and route traffic over it: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IPv6_tunnel_via_Hurricane_Ele... * https://brandonrozek.com/blog/obtaining-ipv6-address-h…

aspect worth noting: up to my knowledge HE's tunnel will work only if you're assigned public IPv4 by your ISP. if you're behind a carrier grade NAT - too bad, you'll need to use another solution to get IPv6 to your home.

Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

#42

If anyone wants to try / use IPv6, but their ISP does not provide it, Hurricane Electric (HE) has offered a tunnel service for many years now: * https://tunnelbroker.net * https://ipv6.he.net There are scrips available to bring up a tun device on your system (or router) and route traffic over it: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IPv6_tunnel_via_Hurricane_Ele... * https://brandonrozek.com/blog/obtaining-ipv6-address-h…

Happy "customer" here. I've been using their free 6in4 tunnel through OpenBSD for about five years and have had no mentionable problems. I configure mine solely with OpenBSD's network interface files, e.g. /etc/hostname.gif0 : tunnel inet6 128 alias !route -n add -inet6 default I use the connectivity to reach a cluster of VPSes in AWS deliberately set-up without public IPv4 addressing, which would otherwise represent…

> because of buttholes like Jeff Bezos actively monetizing IPv4 address space.

IPV4 addresses are finite and rapidly being depleted. What other solution do you have to manage demand of a finite resource other than charging for it?

Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

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I have strong opinions about ipv4, especially since I'm forced to use an ipv4 isp. The lack of ipv6 adoption should be considered one of the great failures of tech. Who actually is responsible? Is it router manufacturers writing poor quality firmware, ipv4 advocates in leadership positions at isps, ipv4 address speculators, poor training of network engineers and tech support staff? I think we all need to have a much…

We have a saying in the industry… IPv6 is an academic solution to an engineering problem. The reality is it’s just too damn complicated to implement and maintain at scale while also retaining compatibility with v4… which is never going to go away because other than the address shortage, there are no problems with it.

Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

#44

I'm in the same situation myself. It's quite frustrating, since 2 weeks I have been told that "the ticket is open and the technicians will take a look soon". Not sure if stuff like this has a low priority since IPv6 works and it's not considered a total outtage? In Germany there are laws to grant consumers compensation in those cases, but I'll see if this counts soon enough. One problem with the solution in this blog…

Not sure about the situation in Germany, but in the Netherlands, if you have your fixed + mobile connection with the same ISP and there’s an outage on the fixed connection, you can ask for free mobile data until the outage is fixed.

Perhaps this would be an option to ask your ISP about.

Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

#45
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Happy "customer" here. I've been using their free 6in4 tunnel through OpenBSD for about five years and have had no mentionable problems. I configure mine solely with OpenBSD's network interface files, e.g. /etc/hostname.gif0 : tunnel inet6 128 alias !route -n add -inet6 default I use the connectivity to reach a cluster of VPSes in AWS deliberately set-up without public IPv4 addressing, which would otherwise represent…

> because of buttholes like Jeff Bezos actively monetizing IPv4 address space. IPV4 addresses are finite and rapidly being depleted. What other solution do you have to manage demand of a finite resource other than charging for it?

My stance is that common connectivity shouldn't cost an additional $3.70 a month on top of already egregious traffic costs. The price per IP today is about $30. The lifetime of the investment is infinite and upkeep is in the grand scheme of things nothing. The markup profit is insane. It's a new behavior, pure usury, seizing an opportunity to profit on a crisis. To offer some contrast (without getting into the sizes of their respective turfs) Oracle doesn't charge a dime.

Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

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post #35

I have strong opinions about ipv4, especially since I'm forced to use an ipv4 isp. The lack of ipv6 adoption should be considered one of the great failures of tech. Who actually is responsible? Is it router manufacturers writing poor quality firmware, ipv4 advocates in leadership positions at isps, ipv4 address speculators, poor training of network engineers and tech support staff? I think we all need to have a much…

It's just a lot of work/churn with little to no concrete benefit for many people involved. There is no IPv4 cabal.

Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

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I was just about to offer the same advice. It's a far simpler solution to a temporary problem - and equally, a permanent tool for the times when you want to proxy. Don't forget that this function needs "AllowTcpForwarding" to be enabled in your sshd_config.

And I just managed to offer the same advice, then upon posting discovered I'd been beaten lol. This simple solution versus the article reminds me of McIlroy and Knuth: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35915169

That was an amazing read, thank you!

Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

#48
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because of buttholes like Jeff Bezos actively monetizing IPv4 address space. IPV4 addresses are finite and rapidly being depleted. What other solution do you have to manage demand of a finite resource other than charging for it?

My stance is that common connectivity shouldn't cost an additional $3.70 a month on top of already egregious traffic costs. The price per IP today is about $30. The lifetime of the investment is infinite and upkeep is in the grand scheme of things nothing. The markup profit is insane. It's a new behavior, pure usury, seizing an opportunity to profit on a crisis. To offer some contrast (without getting into the sizes…

We are in crisis precisely because nobody charged for IPv4 addresses in the past, and so overwhelming majority of those are wastefully allocated. What you want would exacerbate the crisis.

Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

#49

If you ever need a quick hack to get v4 connectivity over a true v6 only setup, you can use a public DNS64+NAT64 Gateway. You can find a list at https://nat64.net/public-providers . So for most regular use, all you are doing is changing DNS servers. This is the combo. ** 1. DNS64 Synthesis of AAAA DNS records for things that don't have them to a NAT64 box. $ dig +short @2a00:1098:2c::1 AAAA github.com 2a01:4f8:c2c:12…

Using Cloudflare WARP would be much faster.

And you can connect directly to ipv4 addr via WARP.

Re: Using the Internet without IPv4 connectivity

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post #41

If anyone wants to try / use IPv6, but their ISP does not provide it, Hurricane Electric (HE) has offered a tunnel service for many years now: * https://tunnelbroker.net * https://ipv6.he.net There are scrips available to bring up a tun device on your system (or router) and route traffic over it: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IPv6_tunnel_via_Hurricane_Ele... * https://brandonrozek.com/blog/obtaining-ipv6-address-h…

aspect worth noting: up to my knowledge HE's tunnel will work only if you're assigned public IPv4 by your ISP. if you're behind a carrier grade NAT - too bad, you'll need to use another solution to get IPv6 to your home.

Strange. This sounds like something Hurricane Electric specifically limited. There’s nothing in CGNAT that would naturally break such a tunnel
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