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Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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Fast food addiction, free-refill-fueled soda addiction, tobacco addiction, weakly trained near universal use of automobiles for daily travel, and unequal access to healthcare are staples of American culture so I am only surprised the spread is not worse. This has very little to do with location or genetics and everything to do with education and culture.

Europeans smoke more than Americans

Fact. However the top smokers like Serbia also score lower on life expectancy

Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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I get the feeling that Universal Healthcare (medicare for all) would probably level the difference? What else is responsible for the almost 4yr difference with e.g. France? Is it diet? Is the air/water worse in the US?

> I get the feeling that Universal Healthcare (medicare for all) would probably level the difference? Sometimes my wife convince me to try American candy/foods that we buy in these "foreign foods stores" locally, because she grew up eating some of them in her country. And every time we check the contents by reading the nutrition-labels or checking with apps like Yuka, it turns out that the stuff Americans put in the…

There's lots of stuff like that, the way chickens and eggs are cleaned etc.

It sometimes is annyoying though, especially around foods and medicine when something is not yet approved in Europe e.g. It's really hard to get Allulose (sugar alternative with similar properties benefitting baking); As far as I can tell it's not actually "illegal" in Europe, it's just not approved as a food, so no-one risks importing it..

Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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I get the feeling that Universal Healthcare (medicare for all) would probably level the difference? What else is responsible for the almost 4yr difference with e.g. France? Is it diet? Is the air/water worse in the US?

It's not just the universal healthcare enables access to healthcare to more people. When healthcare is something being paid for by everyone, the state of other people's health matters to you too (not just your own). Therefore, things like public smoking bans (as we have in the UK) as well as public health campaigns around alcohol consumption and healthy eating become palatable. Regulating harmful foodstuffs becomes m…

Smokers actually cost less than non-smokers because they die a decade and a half sooner, and old age is where most expense happens.

The true issue is secondhand smoke. That for me is what it all is about: preventing unwilling people from being exposed to smoke, full stop.

About as many people die from smoking than from secondhand smoke. Think for a minute how horrifying that is.

Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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Isn't it simply because of race?

Between USA and western Europe? Is there a difference?

Not many ancestrally native Americans in Europe, relatively few jews compared to the USA (but more other semetic groups, I don't know if that balances or not), the sub-saharan Africans in Europe had a lot more volunteers and less industrialised human trafficing and are in any case very much more diverse genetically than people think due to superficial characteristics like skin colour (seriously, substitute race discussion about skin to be about blonde vs brunette to see how silly the groups are), and there's more of Irish in the US than the current population of Ireland.

Probably loads of other differences too.

Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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Comically, this is also basically a map of countries in Europe scored based on how convenient the existence of each country is to the kind of people who make us-europe comparisons

Take the absolute value and the numbers and you get an ok map of how likely someone is to be trying to mislead you if they're comparing all of the US to just this one nation.

You could make a pretty similar map with US states vs US average.

Correlation is a hell of a drug[1].

[1] https://m.xkcd.com/1138/

Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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Food, I believe it's obvious. France obesity rate is also lower than the US. Large portion of americans eat like they have free healthcare.

This has got to be a massive factor. What shocked me about the US when I went, was how much peptobismol people chugged down. There was not one meal in my 1 week stay there that I could digest without issue.

Annual sales of Pepto Bismol look to be well under $0.50 per person, so while the American diet and food quality is appallingly worse than Europe, I suspect your one week of stomach upset is not be a great source from which to extrapolate.

Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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San Marino has a +6.4

Ah I didn’t see that. It also looks like Andorra is above Switzerland. That said, those are two micro states, so I’m not sure how applicable they are to larger countries. Switzerland isn’t huge but it also isn’t tiny.

The one near Switzerland is Liechtenstein

Microstates seem to do great, I also missed Monaco with a +7.1, Andorra is between France and Spain with a +4.7

Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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What typical Reddit ignorance that compares the avg life expectancy of the whole USA with a range of 68 years for tribal people to 85 years for “Asians”, a 17 year spread, to individual European countries. It has always baffled me a bit that Europeans keep making this basic type error, by comparing individual European countries that were relatively cohesive and healthy until recently, to the whole of the USA that suf…

> comparing individual European countries that were relatively cohesive and healthy until recently, to the whole of the USA

Isn't USA a country? How is a country-by-country comparison "typical Reddit ignorance"?

I'm gonna use my typical Reddit ignorance to guess you are indeed from the USA.

Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably a combination of Universal Healthcare, Food Regulations (from what I understand, food quality regulations in the US are lacking compared to the EU), more balanced cultural attitudes towards work-life balance, less car-focused cities and more walkable cities.

These are all universal across the EU and yet there's big differences between EU countries.

Food regulations doesn't mean people have a healthy diet. A lot of the Eastern Europe countries have higher obesity rates: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

Re: Life Expectancy in Europe Compared to the US

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I get the feeling that Universal Healthcare (medicare for all) would probably level the difference? What else is responsible for the almost 4yr difference with e.g. France? Is it diet? Is the air/water worse in the US?

Would probably level the difference of what? This is rich countries vs poor countries. You can get an identical result over a US map: https://www.nationhoodlab.org/the-regional-geography-of-u-s-...

Terrible Maps “Literally every US statistic ever”:

https://x.com/TerribleMaps/status/1933586469207036321

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