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I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

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Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#41
post #15

Soon they'll be using CV and won't need FPV.

You still want someone to get the drone to a place where it can see the target, and someone to select this target.

Only then can CV do the last part ("terminal engagement"). But that also means it won't go inside a hangar and find the target there.

Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#42

FPV drones don’t suck if you know what you’re doing. If you don’t have proper training, you’re going to suck at it.

Sometimes you don’t have time and resources to train everyone to be great. Good enough will have to do.

> As a result, training a highly proficient operator can take months. A standard, base-level course for Ukrainian drone pilots takes about five weeks

Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#43
post #12

Don't drones have another advantage not mentioned here -- counter-battery against operators being more challenging?

More challenging than what?

More challenging than counter-battery fire against artillery, which is basically a solved problem in warfare.

Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#44
I assume this is like a pilot in WW1 reporting how finicky and hard to use bi-planes were. No doubt a bunch of weapons manufacturers have seen this and the special operations Ukraine did in Russia and Israel did in Iran and the wheels of progress are turning and the result will be terrifying.

Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#45
post #17

> During my time in [...], I collected statistics on the success of our drone operations. I found that [...] Assuming the writer and their allegiances are what they say, is any of the info valuable to any of their adversaries? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_lips_sink_ships

The Russians likely already have similar operational data from their own drone programs and intelligence gathering.

Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#46

The article talks about signal jammers, but as far as I know most drones there are remote controlled using fiber for exactly that reason?

There are... I think they aren't unproblematic - the fibre can get caught on things etc. Also I read of instances where the opposition can follow the fibre back to find the drone operators.

Tracing the fiber back is possible only in extremely favorable conditions. The light must hit the cable just right and there cannot be too many cables from previous runs on the battlefield.

Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like for fiber optic strikes you gotta do a "shoot and scoot".

The operators usually use a cordless drill to wind back as much cable as they can after the drone is used.

This is why it's so fascinating to read about this conflict. The back and forth innovations (some obvious, some rudimentary, some very much not) is just incredible to follow.

Early on: Drones in war!

Then: Ahh EW makes them useless!

Then: Fiber optics defeat EW!

Then: But you can follow the cable!

Then: But you can try to respool the cable with a power drill!

Every week it seems is a new move.

Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#48
I see a lot of comments saying that "but the technology will improve".

Sure, maybe. Or maybe it will be like Musk announcing what Teslas will be capable of in 6 months. We don't know, and the author doesn't pretend that they do. Don't forget that drones have been used in this war for years, and the vast majority of the drone industry has already pivoted to the military because it's easier to make money there. So it's not exactly "brand new technology".

But my point is that the author just says "from what I've seen, here is how it looks". And it seems like it has value.

Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#49
post #25

I've seen some of these FPV videos of kills of unarmed Russian soldiers. I honestly don't know why the pilots are not prosecuted for war crimes. (and I'm sure Russia does the same to Ukraine, I just haven't seen those videos).

So if I see a drone I just drop my rifle and give it the middle finger and wait for it to go away and then resume when it's gone?

Re: I fought in Ukraine and here's why FPV drones kind of suck

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Mortar may be 5 times cheaper but 100x easier to destroy it and its crew. Also half of the problems described are purely technical and can be easily solved with some budget. In Ukraine most drones are assembled by volunteers. So its not the reliability of drone that is an issue, its lack of proper assembly and QA.

>So its not the reliability of drone that is an issue, its lack of proper assembly and QA Imagine what China can pull off here in case they're in a war.

China's fertility rate is 1.

Even if they win the war, they still eventually will have lost.

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