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A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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Re: A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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BRB, I'm going to download all the TV shows and movies to train my vision model. Just to be sure it's working properly, I have to watch some for debugging purposes.

You need to buy one copy of each for the fair use to apply.

Let everyone donate their DVDs and other physical media. You don’t need to buy it, you just need to possess the media.

Re: A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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One aspect of this ruling [1] that I find concerning: on pages 7 and 11-12, it concedes that the LLM does substantially "memorize" copyrighted works, but rules that this doesn't violate the author's copyright because Anthropic has server-side filtering to avoid reproducing memorized text. (Alsup compares this to Google Books, which has server-side searchable full-text copies of copyrighted books, but only allows user…

You can use the copyrighted text for personal purposes.

Re: A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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The HN crowd dislikes brick-and-mortar landlords but often sides with charging rent for certain bits. Which side will prevail? Interesting excerpt: > “We will have a trial on the pirated copies used to create Anthropic’s central library and the resulting damages,” Judge Alsup wrote in the decision. “That Anthropic later bought a copy of a book it earlier stole off the internet will not absolve it of liability for the…

why would it erase the mistake? you pirated first.

Who is the victim, and how was that person not made whole?

Re: A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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If you're going to accuse a federal judge of corruption, you'd better have something more than a bare accusation. What is your evidence that there is corruption here, rather than just a decision that you don't like?

Re: A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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Broadly summarizing. This is OK and fair use: Training LLMs on copyrighted work, since it's transformative. This is not OK and not fair use: pirating data, or creating a big repository of pirated data that isn't necessarily for AI training. Overall seems like a pretty reasonable ruling?

Agreed. If I memorize a book and I am deployed into the world to talk about what I memorized that is not a violation of copyright. Which is reasonable logically because essentially this is what an LLM is doing.

Re: A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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If a publisher adds a "no AI training" clause to their contracts, does this ruling render it invalid?

Fair use overrides licensing

Fair use "overrides" licensing in the sense that one doesn't need a copyright license if fair use applies. But fair use itself isn't a shield against breach of contract. If you sign a license contract saying you won't train on the thing you've licensed, the licensor still has remedies for breach of contract, just not remedies for copyright infringement (assuming the act is fair use).

Re: A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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One aspect of this ruling [1] that I find concerning: on pages 7 and 11-12, it concedes that the LLM does substantially "memorize" copyrighted works, but rules that this doesn't violate the author's copyright because Anthropic has server-side filtering to avoid reproducing memorized text. (Alsup compares this to Google Books, which has server-side searchable full-text copies of copyrighted books, but only allows user…

You can use the copyrighted text for personal purposes.

But you can’t distribute it, which in the scenario mentioned in the parent’s final paragraph arguably happens.

Re: A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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You need to buy one copy of each for the fair use to apply.

Let everyone donate their DVDs and other physical media. You don’t need to buy it, you just need to possess the media.

Indeed, I forsee a "training dataset consortium" arising out of this, whereby a bunch of companies team up to buy one copy of everything and then share it for training amongst themselves (ex. by reselling the entire library to each other for $1).

Re: A federal judge sides with Anthropic in lawsuit over training AI on books

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The nature of how they store data makes it not okay in my books. You massage the data enough and you can generate something that seems infringement worthy.

For closed models the storage problem isn't really a problem, they can be judged by what they produce not how they store it as you don't have access to the actual data. That said, open weight LLMs are probably screwed, if enough of the work remains in the weights such that they can be extracted (even if it's without even talking to the LLM) then the weight file itself represents a copy of the work that's being distri…

Why doesn’t this apply to humans? If I memorize something such that it can be extracted did I violate the law? It’s only if I choose to allow such extraction to occur then I’m in violation of the law right?

So if I or an LLM simply doesn’t allow said extraction to occur, memorization and copying is not against the law.

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